Who’s Oppressing Women?

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On today’s episode of BattleTwats the Siren of Socialism takes on Feminazi Fever!

The Socialist Bot quickly hits the spinning flail of Feminism with a delegitimizing blow but then loses one of her own intellectual wheels and winds up spun out and going in similar circles to that of her opponent, the spinning Feminist wage-slave.  The feral Feminist lazily spinning all female “oppression” as originating from patriarchy, and the silly Socialist crazily spinning all female “oppression” as originating from Capitalism.

Today I happened across some old Socialist theory on achieving a classless utopia by Lindsey German: Theories_of_Patriarchy

Lenin’s little Lindsey starts off by showing the absurdity of the settled Feminist conspiracy theory that there is a united army of patriarchal penis possessors all  together responsible for orchestrating every perceived oppression of women.  According to Lindsey, Feminists believe: the “eternal truth” that “patriarchy” in one form or another is the cause of women’s oppression.  Lindsey then reeducates us that, Capitalism done it!

Rather than saying that individual men oppressed women, most feminists saw that oppression of women came from the underlying bias of a patriarchal society.

Linsey asks, if patriarchy is indeed something by which all men oppress all women, how can it ever be overcome by women and men acting together?   I want to argue something completely different. I want to reject the concept of patriarchy as at best a muddled term simply meaning women’s oppression (in which case it cannot explain this oppression), and at worst a completely idealist notion which has no basis in material reality. I want to show that it is not men who “benefit” from the oppression of women but capital. I want to look at the way in which the family has changed, and how as it has changed women’s conception of themselves has also changed. Hopefully that will demonstrate that women’s continued oppression is not the result of male conspiracy (or an alliance between male workers and the capitalist class), but of the continuation of class society in every part of the world. It follows that I shall argue the “socialist” countries have no more in common with socialism than they have with women’s liberation.

Apparently all of the Socialism failing all around us is not really Socialism at all!  Socialism was to be a classless society, and male  and female are classes that did not get sufficiently erased by those lame wannabe Socialist despots and their half-assed purges and half-empty killing fields.  Lindsey want’s to do Socialism right even if they have to kill or neuter us all to achieve her total desired classlessness.   If I recall correctly Jordan Peterson has observed that there is no end to the classes you can break society down into, and every class can always claim some grievance.  There is no satisfying these perpetual grievance mongering dividers and subdividers of the people.

Ultimately the revolution was lost through the failure of the working class in the advanced capitalist countries to follow the Russian lead. That in its turn led to severe setbacks to the position of women. But in the early years they saw the glimmers of opportunity of equal work, socialized housework and a much freer sexuality which was made possible by the revolutionary overthrow of the old society.

Lindsey wants to overthrow all current societies to make way for her Socialist religion, where all children are forcibly raised entirely by the state, because women are oppressed by being part of a family and most oppressed by child bearing and rearing, because it’s career suicide.

The great “parasite” on women’s domestic labor is the child.

Engels and the early Marxists considered that the proletarian family (unlike the bourgeois family) would disappear since it was not based on property. It clearly has not. Since I do not believe that this is because of patriarchy, I want to look at precisely what does keep the family going.

Yet the family remains a stifling, stultifying place where attitudes and roles are taught and learned, where prejudices and values are transmitted through the generations.

And so women are left with the responsibility for childbirth and childcare. This above explains why the family and women’s oppression continue. Women’s roles as mothers and child rearers structure their whole lives.

At every stage in its development the system has had to establish structures that bind those that it exploits to it.  The family is integrated into a complex network of such structures. These take advantage of the way housewives, isolated in the home and cut off from the wider collectivities that form around industrial production, are more susceptible to unchanging ideas about ‘one’s place in society’; dependent upon their husbands for a livelihood they can be persuaded that any sort of social change is a threat to their family and their security. Or, again, these structures rely on the way the male worker, having to worry about the security of his wife and children as well as himself personally, is likely to think twice before getting involved in a strike, occupation or insurrection. The slogan of ‘defense of the family’ becomes a slogan for mobilizing working people in defense of the status quo.

Apparently Lindsey believes in atheistic Socialism inspired economic forces directing humankind,  and so God didn’t design the traditional Patriarchal family, it must have been invented, as her ilk teach, by people in the middle east about 2,000 B.C. due to a change in economic forces.  Lindsey assumes that prior to that was a matriarchal utopia.  LOL   Apparently Lindsey(circa 1981) believed women should effect societal change through things like a collective sex strike.  LOL Alyssa Milano’s recent sex strike didn’t work too well.  How do you escalate things when that fails?  A collective rape accusation against all men?

Anyhow Lindsey seems to believe that having children and raising them is the biggest drag on women and it must be stopped.  Women and men must both alike have no consequences or responsibilities whatsoever after having sex.  Few children should be born, and all children must be raised entirely by the state.  Since having a child will torpedo a woman’s career, I believe she would favor as few select women as possible acting as career babymakers, artificially inseminated with the best semen for the best planned future of the collective state, if in fact she even believes in the favorability of the continued existence of the human race.

Lindsey’s utopia is somehow genderless, marriageless, familyless, sexless except for unaffiliated female-initiated recreational sex, and every remaining problem will then stem from the last remaining vestiges of Capitalism and improperly reeducated malefactors who still have the human ambition to be unique or to belong to a select group.(like a family)

So, I can see Lindsey German has a slightly different alternative to Feminism, the only problem is, it is even worse, and we’d have to kill billions of “Capitalists”, and we still wouldn’t get anything but life in an inescapable globalized shithole nation, filled with apathy, addiction, and despair.

I say society should quit harkening to all these batshit-crazy women and start living Biblically.  Women won’t be happy again until collectively they’re properly repressed.

97 thoughts on “Who’s Oppressing Women?

  1. ” Feminism: where a woman goes from working for and pleasing her husband, to working for and pleasing some other woman’s husband. Progress! Freedom! EMPOWERMENT! ”

    Life requires conflict. Our immune systems need exposure to new strains to build up immunity. Debate inherently craves dissonance in ideas. A young boy pushes boundaries with his father, the father disciplining and firmly reinforcing those boundaries is thus an expression of love.

    Women are to men what children are to fathers. They require the firm and steady hand. Where it is not found, they seek it out. Where it is not heard, they cry out for it. Where it is not felt, they seek its reinforcement. It is not oppression, but repression, as you have so aptly stated, that their nature demands.

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  2. It is not oppression, but repression … that their nature demands.
    I’m glad you wisely see that. Half of being red-pilled is realizing that women have a stronger self-destructive and fickle emotionally driven carnal nature that needs to be repressed for the good of everyone, themselves included. If women are not properly restrained they will destroy their own lives, the lives of those around them, and even civilization itself. That is why a wise, loving, and righteous God put men in charge over women, to help them repress their sinful proclivity, which is their own undoing, when not kept in check.

    … woman was given to man, woman who was of small intelligence and who perhaps still lives more in accordance with the promptings of the inferior flesh than by superior reason. Is this why the apostle Paul does not attribute the image of God to her? ~Saint Augustine
    Her feelings drive woman toward every evil, just as reason impels man toward all good. ~Albertus Magnus

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  3. Sharkly….seriously….after reading all of your angry, nasty blogs it’s clear that you need to just give it up. Your wife has wisely decided that she can’t stand your rigid, uncompromising demands. You sound like a complete pain in the ass that no one in their right mind would marry. You are clearly an angry, lonely man who lives in a basement (your own admission) with your weights. You are so bent on demanding a docile, completely submissive wife that you hVeno chance of finding anyone who will meet your standard. Just reading your log indicates what a miserable human being you are; pretending to follow God’s will but, in fact justifying your own rigid and uncompromising opinion about what you think marriage should be,
    I can’t imagine being married to a tyrant such as yourself; you are so miserable and would surely make any marriage a horrible and tyrannical experience for any one. Get divorced, let your wife go and stay single. You are a total miserable and disgruntled person who should live alone forever. Ugh; horrible.

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  4. I am ignorant about Red Pill Christians who stand strongly for wives to be submissive to their husbands, but are just as strong in saying that single women only need to act that way toward their Dad, and not other men. What’s up with that?
    Your formulation resolves that a bit by saying women should take a position. If I understand the other Red Pillers correctly, then they are saying as long as a single empowered women are virgins and submissive to their Dad’s (until 22 or 23 I assume), then they are good with their career ambitions and success. The guys don’t put it that way of course, but I have heard so many puffed chests over the years say to women, “you don’t have to submit, that’s only for your husband.” Which is usually in response to a single damsel demanding whether she needs to submit to a boyfriend or teacher, usually for something sinful.

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  5. Per CLR, the only crime Sharkly has committed is an angry heart, which apparently is grounds for divorce. Apparently the meaning of marriage is not to seek holiness. Color me surprised.

    To the woman he said,
    “I will surely multiply your pain in childbearing;
    in pain you shall bring forth children.
    Your desire shall be contrary to[a] your husband,
    but he shall rule over you.”
    – Ge 3:16, NASB

    –> [Your husband] shall rule over you. <–

    The first commandment God gives the woman for life after the Fall, is that she will be ruled over by her husband. The very first commandment all women in the current age have on their post-Fall life.
    How is this missed by women? How is this missed by men?

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  6. I missed the CLR comment before my previous comment. I swear they either never read to learn if their comments have been previously made. Ace/KAK and I think one other woman beat you to it on previous threads.
    Good catch IKR, she didn’t point out biblical sins but relied on her feelings to justify that they should be divorced, and then she threw in the vulgar F word to boot, but really thinks Sharkly should be embarassed. Which biblical piece of battle-array includes, “nah nah, you are angry, stupid, and smelly?”
    Check out Darlene’s comment at Gunner’s 9/12 post, it’s similarly worthy of a face-palm.

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  7. Pure emotional diarrhea. Darlene’s comment gets a 2/10 from me. It isn’t long enough to make it a rant, it’s without substance, very weak overall, low energy.
    Is this the pinnacle of female theology? No wonder women are told to seek understanding and guidance (and protection and provision…) from their husbands, husbands, male next-of-kin.

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  8. What vulgar F word did I use? Can you read? I’ve read Ace/KAK’s comments, so what? I don’t think Sharkly should be embarrassed; I think Sharkly thinks he is completely blameless in his failing marriage. He has slandered his wife all over his blogs and then whined and cried about how much of a victim he is. He’s a victim of his wife, his mother, his wife’s family, his wife’s church, his boss, his co-workers, etc., etc. And he has done nothing wrong! It’s all them! Poor Sharkly! And then he talks about what a gem he is. His biblical sins are obvious; are you kidding? It’s all the women’s fault with you sad, lonely men. You are perfect in your relationships and women are just bad, bad, bad. Whine, whine, whine. Grow up.

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  9. And let me add this….I have been married for 40 years to a fabulous Christian man. We have a traditional Christian marriage and neither of us are perfect; we make mistakes and sin just like everyone else. I’m an attorney (oh no! The horrors of an educated woman!!) but was a stay at home mom after I got married since I had triplet boys and knew that my place was in the home. I am still at stay at home mom and help care for my 10 grandchildren. Caring for my husband is a privilege and honor for me. In return, he would give his life to protect me. After 40 years, I know a few things about how a marriage works. There is a lot of compromise. I have been studying the Bible longer than some of you have been alive. I don’t need any of you to tell me what it says. I’m aware of the negative effect of feminism in today’s society but am also aware that men are hardly blameless…..no fault divorce was put in place to give women an escape from abusive men and there are plenty of abusive men despite what you all think. Has no fault divorce been abused? Probably so. Do today’s women feel entitled? Yes. But why do the courts give the children to women in a divorce? Well, don’t men say that a women’s place is at home raising children? So why are you all surprised when the court gives the children to the women? Alimony? Yes, you have to pay it because you want women to stay at home (no education) so how are they supposed to support themselves after a divorce? And are women divorcing men just because they are tired of them? Not so much; they are divorcing them because they are often out having affairs or porn addicts and women are sick of it. That being said, there are certainly some women who just want out of a dysfunctional marriage.
    So buck up, boys….it’s not all the women’s fault….men are equally culpable.
    I owe an apology to Sharkly; in my haste and typical-woman-emotional state, I attacked him personally and that’s not acceptable. I don’t agree with his approach but should not have insulted him.

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  10. CLR, welcome. You sound like a pious woman. You will enjoy your stay.

    Swanny, GQ deleted Darlene’s comment. Alas, it was a good ‘un while it was up.

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  11. I just had a good evening alone with my youngest son. I just went to go read Darlene’s comment, but I was too late. Sometimes I think I’m one of the few people on the internet sharing God’s truth with boldness, but I’ve got to hand it to Gunner Q, unapologetically lambasting a recent self-murderer is going to the next level of bold. Props to you Gunner Q.

    CLR, thank you for your partial apology. You seem like a nice and well meaning person. You mention me slandering my wife, well, so far I really haven’t gone into too much detail or told the worst of her behavior, that I am aware of, on here. And the fact is that I myself probably am still not even aware of the worst of her behavior. I am also not sad and lonely. I’m not a very emotional person, but sadness and loneliness are two emotions that are almost foreign to me. I do get angry, but so does God, and I know that my anger does not work His righteousness. So, I’m pretty self controlled.
    I think Sharkly thinks he is completely blameless in his failing marriage.
    Not completely, but over 95% or more so. When the wife is supposed to submit in everything as unto the Lord, there really is no way for disunity if the wife is following God’s will. My wife constantly intentionally distances me, by returning evil for good. You probably don’t believe in righteous men, or know how one really behaves, but I am becoming one, and if you stick around, I might just be able to lead you to further righteousness yourself. Oddly enough some of the most righteous men in the Bible seemed to have wives who did not appreciate them. But once you take the red pill, it no longer seems odd, but instead what you would expect.

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  12. Again, I apologize for my rant, Sharkly. It was uncalled for, especially on your own blog.
    I absolutely do believe in righteous men and women and I admire your pursuit.
    I think we’re all just trying to find our way; often we stumble and fall but what a joy to know we have a gracious God who allows us to repent of our sinful ways.

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  13. Thank you again CLR,
    Actually I think my blog is the most appropriate place to rant about me, and my type. LOL
    I’m glad you know the way to repentance. The way is narrow and difficult, and few find it.

    While you may find this a bit of a strange thought, I am slowly coming to realize that I need to bear the insults of this world if I am to be rid of my self-seeking and be lifted up by the mighty hand of God.

    Lamentations 3:30 let him give his cheek to the smiter, and be filled with insults. 31 For the Lord shall not cast us away forever.

    Perhaps when my cup of insults has been filled, and I have drunk it in, and I have been honored to have a share in the holy communion of the sufferings of Christ, then I shall also be counted worthy to serve under His authority.

    Wisdom 3:4 For though in the sight of men they were punished, their hope is full of immortality. 5 Having been disciplined a little, they will receive great good, because God tested them and found them worthy of Himself; 6 like gold in the furnace He tried them, and like a sacrificial burnt offering He accepted them.

    Your drop in my cup was welcomed.

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  14. Swanny River, you asked an interesting question at 9/12 6:45 AM.
    What is the role of the single woman in life and towards men?
    A woman on the web said:
    “Women are the image of God, equal to men.
    Women’s bodies are the foundation of humanity, a most precious gem.
    The job of men is to protect women, not abuse them.
    Women are sacred.”

    As you can see, once you let women usurp, blasphemously claiming the divine image of God the Father and Son, then they are de facto goddesses. And then all is inverted and men were birthed from this “foundation” of the “Most Precious” women, for them, to serve and protect them, because they are evidently far more sacred.
    What is foundational is that men are ‘gods’ made in the likeness and glory of the One God. Women are not our equals, and as such, women, as a second class of humans, are to honor God by also honoring His manifest images. The Bible clearly teaches us that women were created after men, to help and serve men, to be mates for men, and they are to honor men. How is a single woman going off and trying to be like a man, serving those purposes? How is encouraging young women to formulate dreams and execute plans for a strong independent future not going to just create a mental mess that her future husband will have to utterly dismantle before she can be freed from the service of self to serve her new lord, and help him to pursue his own dreams and plans? How is encouraging a young woman to nurture her own ambitions not setting her up for failure and conflict when she has to then completely abandon them all to unreservedly switch to nurturing his ambitions and his dominion instead? Men, women, and children should all show other men their due respect. Some men through their own wickedness may not be due all respects, but unless this has been established, the image of God should be given the benefit of the doubt. Men who are complete strangers, should be greeted with honor. Women are commanded to submit to their parents, and then to their husband. God didn’t intended women to undergo a self-serving phase of life to develop selfish habits they will then have to repent of, if they are ever to joyfully serve a husband for life.
    1 timothy 5:14 I will therefore that the younger women marry, bear children, guide the house, give none occasion to the adversary to speak reproachfully.
    God intends for able female children to spend childhood being raised up to become good wives. And there is no good reason to retard the wife readying process from reaching its godly consummation. Why give Satan time to work with the woman independent from her father’s house? If a woman is indeed raised and ready to joyfully submit to a husband for the rest of her life in all that is not directly contrary to God, then she should also be joyfully eager to submit to her suitor in all that is not contrary to God, and to try out his leadership. If she balks at joyfully submitting to justified leading during courtship, there will be no happily ever after, unless God performs a “Calvinistic miracle” repeatedly overriding her own free will.

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  15. My PCA church has an unfortunate response, rather recent, to you Sharkly, that is, “don’t make marriage an idol.” I have yet to create an equally short retort.
    A brother told me that one because his daughter (a really good one) keeps missing on marriage. Kevin Deyoung made a column and tweet about it last year.

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  16. Swanny River,

    A possible short retort.

    “You are disobeying God by not honoring marriage!”

    “Marriage is to be held in honor among all, …. ” Hebrews 13:4 a (NASB)

    Where does the Bible say to honor singleness? Where does the Bible say to honor singleness?

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  17. I just had a disgusting encounter at my wife’s cunt-worshipping church. I went there to pick up my sons from my wife after Sunday school, before their sermon. I pulled my vehicle in front of the church where the boys were supposed to be waiting. However only one boy was waiting for me, so I sent him back in to find the other boy. There were two ushers standing there holding the two front doors open. I unrolled a window so that I could speak to them, but they were apparently intentionally ignoring me, while waiting to greet all others. So I called out and asked them if their church believed the Bible. The younger of the two old men responded that they did. Then I asked him if he believed that the Bible tells women to submit to their husbands. He hesitated and then replied, well, it does say that. So I asked, then why doesn’t your church tell my wife to submit to me? Again he paused and then said, “the Bible also says husbands should not to tell their wives to submit.” To which I quickly retorted, no it doesn’t. Then he replied, well, I’m not going to argue with you. To which I replied, because you can’t, because you don’t know the scriptures. At this point the cunt-worshipper turned to the other to continue trying to ignore me like the older fellow, so I took the opportunity to chastise them saying that if their parents were Christians they would have been able to tell a wife to submit, and that they should be ashamed of themselves for being such cowards. My wife then arrived with both sons, and gave me a super dirty look. I doubt she heard much of the exchange, but she knows I’m bold, and no doubt knew that I was contending with them about why they refuse to follow God, but instead insist on kowtowing to homewrecking Feminists like her. I really am appalled at what passes for Christianity these days. People are so ignorant of God’s word. People will say, the Bible says _______, and then they fill in the blank with whatever New Age, Feminist, social justice, claptrap seed that they have swallowed from a long line of false teaching pastorbaters.

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  18. I realized today, as I overheard others conversations at church this morning centered on a football game, that a man’s maturity plays a role, sometimes, in accepting what the bible says about wives, and women. For some, pleasure is at the center of their minds, so for their wives to be submissive to them would be enabling them to play and rest all the time. From that perspective, it’s good they aren’t redpill because it would hurt their conscience because in their mind they would be abusive in such a situation.
    I can’t know if the two simps at your wife’s church are like that, but it’s something that helps me want to pray more, and argue less.
    Since more immature men have a greater position of authority than you do, you are in a difficult situation. I wish they would care enough about you to correct you, since they think you are so wrong, but it sounds like they are ignoring the bible about how to confront you, who in their eyes is a believer in sin. I guess a girlish shunning is their version of excommunication since you don’t go to their church.
    Since they think the bible says your only tool is pleading, then maybe you could go to them and ask them to instruct you in something you aren’t familiar with and ask them to explain their view. They are dim, but probably will see through such a question. But it would go over better than saying, “it’s not in there.” Of course, I can say this because I wasn’t in the heat of the moment.
    Dim bulbs generate lots of resistance, then they burn out, electrically speaking, that is.

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  19. “I wish they would care enough about you to correct you, since they think you are so wrong, but it sounds like they are ignoring the bible about how to confront you, who in their eyes is a believer in sin.”

    I have tried to egg them on into it, but every time one of them has spoken to me, they quickly find out that they don’t know the Bible texts that refer to marriage like I do, they have willingly been deceived concerning my divorce, and I’m not about to take any bullshit off of those theological losers.

    Judges 14:1 And Samson went down to Timnath, and saw a woman in Timnath of the daughters of the Philistines. 2 And he came up, and told his father and his mother, and said, I have seen a woman in Timnath of the daughters of the Philistines: now therefore get her for me to wife. 3 Then his father and his mother said unto him, Is there never a woman among the daughters of thy brethren, or among all my people, that thou goest to take a wife of the uncircumcised Philistines? And Samson said unto his father, Get her for me; for she pleaseth me well. 4 But his father and his mother knew not that it was of the Lord, that he sought an occasion against the Philistines: for at that time the Philistines had dominion over Israel.

    These uncircumcised of heart “Philistines”, who hold dominion over their sheep, have blasphemed the living God and now God has given me an occasion against them.

    Judges 14:18 And the men of the city said unto him on the seventh day before the sun went down, What is sweeter than honey? And what is stronger than a lion? and he said unto them, If ye had not plowed with my heifer, ye had not found out my riddle. 19 And the Spirit of the Lord came upon him, and he went down to Ashkelon, and slew thirty men of them, and took their spoil, and gave change of garments unto them which expounded the riddle. And his anger was kindled, and he went up to his father’s house.

    It was the Holy Spirit that came upon Sampson and had him slay Philistines because of those that had meddled with his wife’s mind, turning her faithlessly against her own husband. To holy God turning a wife away from her husband, or “alienation of affection” is a capital offense. It would be better for someone to have a millstone tied around their neck and be cast into the sea than to alienate one of these little ones from her lord. Quite often it is the divorced bitches, or the soon to be divorced fools, that work the hardest to turn other women against their respective husbands, but there is no shortages of ‘White Knights’ willing to praise every woman’s rebellion either.

    FYI, here is the e-mailed advice that their churches former pastor, two pastors ago, gave me about how to deal with my wife’s denial of all intimacy, online affairs, failure to ever submit, disrespect, false accusations, threats, complete refusal to admit any fault or repent, and repeatedly abandoning the marriage and stealing my sons:

    “Lastly, and probably most importantly, if your desire is to win your wife back and save your marriage, there’s only one way it’s going to happen (given that God’s grace is the ultimate solution). That is if you, as the leader of your marriage, decide to completely forgive [her] and utterly humble yourself over a long period of time, asking for forgiveness as many times and as long as it takes for her to be convinced that you are willing to love her, for her. Not love her for what you can get out of it. But completely love her even when she doesn’t give you anything in return. I know that’s probably not what you want to hear, something you’ve certainly heard before, but based on my understanding of sin and the selfish nature of the human heart, and the man’s role in marriage, that’s the best path forward…not only for you…but also for her.”

    LOL No wonder they call it the cunt-immunity church.(community church) Their churches plan is for me to grovel my way through her unrepentant infidelity, and false accusations, until she gets tired of taunting me with her unfaithful behavior, while they all cheer her on.

    And I did try things their way already, for 15 years, I tried it until she ran out again! It only made things grow worse, and encouraged and enabled her to continue in her sin. Going to those same sort of cunt-worshippers for help, instead of finding the red pill sooner, may have doomed my sons to a broken home. But God will work this for my eternal good. And they will all burn for eternity for being ashamed of God’s word,(Mark 8:38) if they don’t repent of that faithlessness. They worship the creature(women) more than the Creator.(Romans 1:25) And for this God has given them over to a reprobate mind, that they might continue to worship a vain thing. Praise Jesus I was predestined to be broken of my wife worship, by her implacable malice, and restored to sanity and the worship of our Father.

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  20. I found myself wondering just now, if part of why merciful God created the woman last of all, was not just a show of God’s divine priority in creating the man preeminent, but also so that all of God’s innocent creatures would get to have joy in God’s perfect world for a little bit longer before, completely unprovoked, she would brazenly disregard her husband and directly flout the only command of God Himself?

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  21. Oh dear, poor deluded Sharkly, how I have missed this misogynistic blog!! I know I said I would stay away, but I just can’t help myself. I just have to chime in here with two of my husband’s favourite jokes:

    Q: Why did God make man first?
    A: So he’d have a chance to speak!

    Q: Why did God make man first?
    A: Because He didn’t want to be told how to do the job!

    No, my husband isn’t a misogynist. He just finds it entertaining to pretend to be one, especially when we have company.

    I do think a comment further up is right, though. You should give up on your wife Sharkly, and get used to being single. She ain’t never coming back to you. Not with an attitude like yours.

    And now I will try to stay away properly, so poor old Swanny River doesn’t get his knickers in a tangle again. Geez it’s not hard to figure out why so many of you are single.

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  22. We should encourage faith and the expectation of good things for other Christians. We should pray for good things, like Sharly’s wife breaking, repenting, humbling herself, and returning to her husband. I pray for Sharkly and his wife.

    “You should give up on your wife Sharkly, and get used to being single. She ain’t never coming back to you. Not with an attitude like yours.”

    This is an ugly, unloving, faith destroying comment by Ace.

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  23. Since there’s interest, this was Darlene’s post: “WTF did I just read? Christ talked about the church as his “bride,” so if you are part of the His church get used to the metaphor you alpha-male wanna be.”

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  24. I used to pray for Sharkly and his wife, too. My heart broke for him when I first learned his story. I understood the bitterness that I’ve seen in other places on the ‘net. But the more I read Sharkly’s writings, combined with research on intimacy anorexia, the more I understood. There is nothing ugly, unloving or faith-destroying in my statement that Sharkly’s wife is never coming back to him while he has the attitude he does. It’s a simple fact. And honestly, I don’t believe Sharkly actually wants his wife back. He might want a woman who worships him the way he thinks he deserves to be worshiped, but that’s not reality – and it’s not his wife. I don’t think he wants back the woman he married, who obviously believes in equality, and uses intimacy as a tool to get what she wants. The way Jesus led is not a way of misogyny. There is no misogyny in true Christians. The way Jesus led is a way of kindness, love, meekness and gentleness.This blog isn’t about that. It’s a place for bitter men to lament the wickedness of women and to uphold male superiority. There is no encouraging others in faith, here. All there is, is encouraging others to put women ‘back in their place’ – under men. Inferior to men. Almost worthless. If that is what you all think Jesus taught, then you’re reading a very different Bible to me.

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  25. I am purposefully skipping over the Ace comments. Always seems like a derail.
    I was reading the story of Joseph and Potiphar’s wife today and wondered what insights you’d get from it. Other than telling the cupbearer that he’s done nothing deserving of prison, we don’t know much. I suppose a chivalrous man could say he was silent instead of objecting and bringing dishonor to m’lady, but even if it happened that way, he eventually spoke up. And Pharoah made him as #2, and it seems like Pharoah would know of the Potiphar incident.
    Similar to Bee, I pray your wife repents and comes under your cover again and your family goes together as a team glorifying the Lord.

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  26. Thank you all for your prayers. I have often asked for them in the past, and I appreciate them. Love is longsuffering.

    1 Corinthians 13:7-8a Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things. Love never ends.

    “You should give up on your wife Sharkly”

    By all rights I should. It would take a miracle for her to reverse herself and repent of her wickedness.

    “get used to being single.”

    I saved myself 33 years as a virgin for God and my future wife, and I’ve spent coming up on 3 years during my marriage alone. I’ve gotten quite used to living without a helper. I’ve always got God, and so great a cloud of witnesses, and an enemy who assails me, so I am never truly alone. I recently turned 50, and I can’t say that I have ever felt alone, or lonely in my life yet. I’m just not able to imagine that feeling.
    Jeremiah 23:23 “Am I a God who is near,” declares the Lord, “And not a God far off? 24 Can a man hide himself in hiding places so I do not see him?” declares the Lord. “Do I not fill the heavens and the earth?” declares the Lord.
    My father was preaching the fear of God to me from before I could remember and lived as an example of it till the day he died. I was taken in for a surgery when I was just six months old, and my father asked the surgical staff if he could say a prayer before they took me. I am told that I immediately quieted myself and folded my hands, making one of the nurses cry. When I was five I became convicted one night, after my father had led us in nightly devotions, that I was a sinner on my way to eternal torment in hell, and I prayed with my mother repenting of my sin and asking for God’s forgiveness, and for Jesus to come into my heart. My parents are both gone now, but God’s Spirit is still here with me. They trained me up in the way I should go.
    Romans 8:38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, 39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

    Ace, while I appreciate you trying to tell me about your own personal version of Jesus, I know Him. Bee was right that your comment was ugly. However you are right that my faith has not been destroyed. If one woman could have destroyed my faith, my wife surely would have been the one to do it.

    “It’s a place … to lament the wickedness of women and to uphold male superiority. … there is … encouraging others to put women ‘back in their place’ – under men. Inferior to men.” Amen!

    Women being inferior to men, does not make them “almost worthless”. God made women with a great purpose; as a mate to become one flesh with and to serve and honor His image in man, thereby bringing Him glory. If anybody makes women “almost worthless” it is those satanic Feminists who dissuade women from joyfully accomplishing their God glorifying purpose.

    misogyny? I love women!
    My father loved me, and that is why, by age five, he had convinced me that I was a sinner worthy of the eternal flames of hell! I couldn’t have asked for a better father. Some folks asked me after he went to be with the Lord suddenly, if there was anything I wished I could have told him. Nope! I knew he loved me, and he knew I greatly respected him. There was nothing left unsaid between us.
    I’d like to be the same way towards women, as my father was towards me. He helped me grow up. And when I pass, I don’t want to have anything that might have helped edify men and women left unsaid. And right now society seems to have a great need for women to adorn themselves with shamefacedness and for men to reject their usurpation, so that all can serve out their divine purposes.

    Ace, tell your husband that his jokes are funny, and that he is a great man for putting up with you.

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  27. Sharkly – My husband is an incredible man. He has a fantastic sense of humour – one of the things that made me fall in love with him initially. He has a huge repertoire of jokes about wives and women.

    Our little boy (7) is extremely spiritual, too. At the moment he is very unwell (random seizures and falling unconscious with no explanation) and it’s both testing and strengthening our faith. And the increasing questions about God and Jesus and heaven and the Bible are not only making us think, they’re also terrifying me, because it makes me wonder if he knows something that I don’t…. something like the end nearing for him. Even typing that out fills me with terror.
    So while I know my presence here annoys some people greatly, I hope you will allow me to remain for a little while at least, as reading it actually helps me in a way that I can’t actually explain. Maybe it’s just reading a different definition/understanding of scripture that brings me comfort, I don’t know. Maybe it’s the way that reading things on here makes me go to my Bible and study it, and re-read what Jesus said/taught and the way He lived, and time spent in the Word encourages me hugely.

    But in any case, my comment wasn’t actually intended to be ugly, but I can see how it could very easily be taken that way. It was more just a statement. I’m a woman – and it’s so incredibly obvious to me (and probably everyone who cares to look) that a woman who is using intimacy as a tool (which is the basis of intimacy anorexia) to manipulate her husband is not going to come back to him while he is insisting she repent and break and change. My father has been single for almost 20 years after kicking out my cheating mother. For years, he prayed that she would repent and come back to him, but he’s finally accepted that she’s not ever coming back, and even though he is in very ill health, he’s happy enough without her. His faithfulness will be rewarded, one day.

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  28. Swanny River,
    I always assumed that Joseph protested his innocence, but it was her word against his, and she being a “noblewoman” and him being a foreign slave, the benefit of the doubt went to her. Plus the liar always gets to make up the more believable story, while the truth is often stranger than fiction. I think if they had been certain that Joseph had tried to rape an Egyptian noblewoman, who was his masters wife, they surely would have executed him like the baker. So in all likelihood they probably may not have been fully believing of the hypocritical whore who accused Joseph of forcing the adultery she had tried to have with him.
    I noticed God let Joseph be sent to prison for the very thing he refused to do, but the story did not end there, even though years were spent there. Don’t give up faith.

    I bought some groceries at a Walmart superstore today, in a really nice part of the nearest big city. I noticed there was one area however that was secured like Fort Knox. High walls of shelving all around with only one way in and out past its own cashier’s station, where you must pay for that stuff immediately. I thought that seems to be the area where they are making the most effort to prevent shoplifting, and Walmart should have computerized accounting of what most usually disappears from their stores unpaid for. I wondered why I had not noticed how highly secured that area was before, but then realized I had never actually ever gone in there. So what was in the area with the most shoplifting prevention methods employed? … Ladies’ cosmetics! Not only are women so vain, but apparently many even feel completely entitled to indulge their vanity at the expense of others. I just chuckled to myself when I realized how like children they are. I believe scientific research has shown that although the female mind “matures” going through puberty slightly before the male brain does, it most often almost stops soon after puberty, leaving most of them mentally like salty (know it all) teenagers for the rest of their lives, while most men usually continue to mentally mature until senility begins. If you bear that in mind, then women’s comments full of teenaged snark can even seem endearing as you are brought to remember how badly they need a man like you to protect them from their own foolish naïveté and to repress their lifelong inclination to youthful indiscretions.

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  29. Ace,
    I never forbid you from being here. So far I haven’t blocked anything but the commercial spam garbage that the WordPress spam filter automatically blocks. However, if you could make an effort to comment more respectfully of men in general, your husband, and the other commenters on here, it will be appreciated. I will say a prayer for your son. FWIW I would try giving him a teaspoon of Dimethyl Sulfoxide (DMSO) followed by some water. It is quite helpful for many intracranial issues. Try that and see if it helps his condition any. If it does seem to help, then repeat it daily. You might also give him some Boswellia serrata, it is anti-inflammatory and prevents Glioma. You might also try 1-5 Mg of lithium orotate daily. I’d recommend trying those three things and observing his condition’s response just based off of what you’ve said so far. It should all be fairly inexpensive. And try some of the lithium orotate yourself before bed.

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  30. They need a man, but not like me, for whenever their tests and “snarkiness” present themselves, I get a mixture of disbelief (that they are talking or acting stupidly) and disgust. None of the amused mastery I am supposed to practice and enjoy.
    For example, I do skip over the Ace comments here now, because they don’t have anything for edification. Just emotional accusations and argument that you and others start engaging with, taking away from the spiritual growth and focus of your posts.
    Even if she cleaned up her act, I wouldn’t be interested in what she has to say because she comes here to scold and argue. Which going back to my first point, results in me shutting down.
    God always provides a way out of temptation, and using that as a template, I am wondering if a eunuch is one who doesn’t have that God-given function to be energized in the face of rebellion .

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  31. Thank you for your kindness Sharkly. Your prayers for my son are appreciated. I will speak with the health shop tomorrow about the supplements you suggested. Currently, I’m just giving him a really good multi-vitamin because we don’t know what we’re dealing with yet,

    When I did my psychology degree we studied the difference in development of male and female brains. You are right that female brains mature quicker than male brains – females brains are fully developed at around 16, males at around 25. This is why alcohol and other substances are so incredibly bad for young people (especially boys) – because it damages still-growing brains. It’s why young men are often prone to making absolutely idiotic choices, and why so many of them are killed in high-speed car crashes (at more than twice the rate of young women).
    But both male and female brains continue to mature emotionally for quite a lot longer – females at around age 32, males around age 43 (according to a British study funded by Nickelodeon in 2013).

    In general, I treat people (both men and women) with a great deal of respect, but I also say it like I see it. I can promise you though, I will only say good stuff about my husband 🙂 Sharing my experiences in earlier comments was less about slamming/disrespecting my husband and more about “hang on, males aren’t perfect, some men can be very difficult” as opposed to the tone on here which is pretty much that everything is women’s fault and men are blameless. I know that’s not true, because I’ve lived it. But for the most part, my husband treats me extremely well and makes me very happy 🙂 Also, he’s fully aware of everything I have written on here. I don’t hide anything from him. And he has one more joke for you:
    Q: Why do men die before their wives?
    A: Because they want to.

    At it’s core, feminism is about equality, nothing more It’s about equal opportunities regardless of gender. It’s not about “sameness” or hating men or usurping men or anything else (although extremists and angry feminists try to make it about this). It’s simply about women being given the same opportunities as their male counterparts. The same access to education as men. Being allowed to drive, just as men do. Being able to own land, earn and control their own money. Making their own choices for their futures. As I have two daughters as well as two sons, I simply can’t imagine a world where my daughters aren’t allowed an education but my boys are, just because they’re girls. I will always fight to keep a world where both my sons and my daughters can have dreams and pursue them. Where they can both be independent, learn to drive, get a job to earn the money to buy their first car, earn their own money, choose how the money they earned is spent, own a house and/or land.
    At the end of this year, my 16 year old son will be leaving school and going into a mechanic’s apprenticeship. He already works part-time after school at a mechanic’s shop, so he’s off to a good start. My 14 year old daughter has her heart set on being a vet, and she’s working really hard at school to make this happen. Why should she not be given this opportunity, simply because she’s a girl? Why should my son be able to follow his passion but not my daughter? Do people who hate feminism truly believe that girls should not be educated? Or allowed access to higher education? Or be allowed to choose a career path?

    At it’s core, feminism isn’t anti-families or anti-babies; it’s simply about equality and choice. The freedom to be a SAHM and raise a large family, using your education to home-school your children. Or the freedom to make different choices. I have 4 children; my sister has none. Feminism means we were both able to make these choices.

    This Lindsey chick does not speak for all women, or even for all feminists. Patriarchy (using the historical definition of “father rule”) isn’t even against feminism – it’s about protecting women. Oppression is not patriarchy, it’s oppression. I think extremist-feminism has also invented extremist-patriarchy.

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  32. Feminism is not about equality.

    Ace is very, very, very NAIVE.

    Feminism is all about rebellion against Authority. God’s authority, and their fathers authority.

    The fruit of this rebellion is that it causes feminists to become ugly on the inside; selfish, ungrateful, arrogant, rebellious, undisciplined, naive.

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  33. Equality emerged whole from Lucifer’s mouth, to infect this world with lies, dissention, and destruction. It was seeded into ideo-politics by European masonic (satanic) fraternities prior to the French Revolution (egalitee) having previously passed through various iterations amongst the legions of gnostic cults/groups in the first few centuries A.D.

    Instead of having Fabulous Opinions that please your raging emotions, try reading a little history.

    Equality is not a Christian concept; it is an anti-Christ concept. As will be seen more fully in the very near future.

    The lie of ‘equality’ is the fundament of modern rebellion against God, with a broad goal of destroying fatherhood, sonship, and masculinity on this planet. How very eagerly the grrlls snatch at its poisoned fruit! . . . seeking dominion over men by use of this demonic abstraction. Whilst of course protesting that they are only interested in Fairness! In Justice! In ending the ‘oppression’ of pore downtrodden wimmins and grrlls!

    Eve took the fruit, what was she promised by the enemy? The same thing she is promised in this moment: Equality. Holy Equality. The Equality of men and women. The Equality of women and God.

    All these thousands of years of struggle, agony, and death, and not one damn thing has changed in this meatmarket of a world. The woman still rebels against the man, and against God. The man still ‘listens to the voice of the woman’ and obeys her selfish, sinful will.

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  34. Interestingly, neither of those responses which are clearly against feminism, answered my questions.
    Should females be educated?
    Should they be allowed to drive?
    Should they be able to earn, own and spend their own money?
    Should they be allowed to own property?
    I won’t ask if they should be allowed to vote because I already know your answer to that question.
    Or should women simply be chattels, under the ownership of and at the mercy of, men?
    No I’m not naive of what the feminist movement is about. One of my ancestors was instrumental in getting women the vote here in NZ (the first country in the world to do so) and I have her diaries. Feminism had been twisted into something evil by some, but at it’s core, it isn’t.
    Considering the patriarchal culture Jesus came to, the way he treated women was pretty outrageous for those times – that’s why some have claimed He was a feminist.

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  35. Clearly the men on this blog are patriarchal and are completely against feminism in any form. The point of the blog seems to be that it is a place for patriarchal men to post their dissatisfaction with women in general and with feminists in particular. They are certainly entitled to their viewpoint and have made it abundantly clear by referring to women as:
    Cunts,
    Sluts,
    Whores,
    Bitches,
    Inferior,
    Shameful,
    Manipulative,
    Ungodly,
    Idolatrous,
    Gluttonous,
    Defilers
    Adulteress,
    Lack of self control, humility, chastity, loyalty, charity,
    Disobedient,
    Weak,
    Condescending,
    Stupid sows,
    Fattiies,
    Unrepentant,
    Wicked,
    Unfit to be wives or mothers,
    Snarky,
    Stupid,
    Ugly,
    Ungrateful,
    Arrogant,
    Rebellious,
    Undisciplined,
    Naive,
    Sinful,
    Self destructive,
    Ignorant,
    Immoral,
    Fickle,
    Carnal,
    Evil,
    Blasphemous,
    Second class citizens

    Those are just some of the words in these blog posts to describe women. Nowhere did I find a single complimentary or kind word about the character of women. Nowhere did I find statements by men who are looking to improve the situation by finding a compromise with women on any level. It appears, from what I have read here, that the only acceptable woman is a Christian woman who lives a perfectly submissive life as a wife: dress as her husband demands, wear her hair as her husband demands, read only what her husband approves of, associate with only people he approves of, have no higher education, have no control of money or property, cook only what her husband approves of, and most importantly, have sex (like a porn star) on demand. According to these men, that is all scripturally correct and should be abided by. No compromise! No excuses! Do as I say now!
    Here’s the problem….nowhere do men take any responsibility for their behavior and become offended if anyone here mentions that they might have room for improvement. It’s as if a patriarchal viewpoint means that men are not only superior but perfect as well. And, much to their dismay, it seems that feminism is here to stay; at least for a long while. Is there not some compromise? Are essentially all women horrible? How are any of you ever going to find the perfect woman? I have never met a woman who could meet the standards you all demand. Do you all really want change or do you just want a place to write about your angst and anger? I understand that you want perfect adherence to Biblical principles by women but is that reasonable? Do men adhere perfectly to God’s commands to them? Hardly. I think you’re going to have to accept compromise if you want a woman in your life. After 40 years in a Christian marriage, I can tell you there has been some compromise. And there will be more; yet it’s a wonderful, happy marriage.

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  36. I agree with you absolutely, CLR but you worded it much more eloquently than I am able to.
    The thing is though, Jesus never treated women as second class citizens. Nor is it at all Christian-like to call women cunts, bitches or other such delightful terms. That’s why I’m really confused. I mean, I could just stay away and leave these men to it, and ultimately I will do that, eventually. But in the meantime, I’m really drawn to trying to understand why they think that way, and reading through scripture for understanding and I’m not finding it. At all. How can one claim to be a Christian while treating women in such a derogatory way?

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  37. Ace, I understand the anger of some of these men; they have been used and abused by women and are disgruntled,disappointed and angry. There are plenty of blogs with women who feel the same way about the men in their lives. I don’t agree with the derogatory name calling (of which there is much) and don’t think it’s acceptable for Christians to call women cunts, etc. (I was recently accused on this blog of using the F word ( I did not) and the blogger who accused me admitted he was wrong but I never got an apology. When you wrote that the men on this blog were bitter, all hell broke loose and men demanded an apology (over and over). Kind of funny, actually.
    There is plenty of biblical truth on this site and plenty that is omitted. I think the basic issue is that some of the men here are rigid patriarchal males and accept nothing less than biblical perfection from women. It’s just not realistic as far as I can see and I would hope that they are able to modify their standards to a more human, reasonable level that well intended Christian women might be able to achieve. In addition, it seems like a good long look in the mirror might be in order for some of these men. The pill of feminism is a bitter one for many; I certainly understand that.

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  38. Feminists are not all women. I referred to feminists as some of the terms CLR lists.

    CLR and Ace can not discern that not all women are feminists, not all women are sluts, etc. They are both naive.

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  39. Many of the terms used were addressed to ALL women; feel free to go back and read the blogs, Bee.
    I’m hardly naive.

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  40. And Bee, you missed the whole point of my post because, sadly, you were too busy defending yourself (and ego) and throwing an insult at Ace and myself. Interestingly, you were the one who demanded an apology when Ace called the men on here bitter. Should we demand an apology for being called naive or does that break some patriarchal Biblical rule? Such silliness.

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  41. CLR – I agree entirely, once again. Well said. Yes, the apology demands for calling the men on here bitter had me amused, too 🙂 especially when further comments have proved that I was actually right, and most of them *are* bitter. I know plenty of bitter women, too. Life is not always kind to people, and bitterness is the natural result of that.

    Bee – I think you will find that most, if not all, women are actually feminists, in the true definition of feminism: equal rights and opportunities for all, regardless of gender. That can be expanded to class and nationality, as well, but that’s moving away slightly from the true core of feminism. Why would any woman not agree that women should have the right to an education, to own property, to learn how to drive if she wishes, to be able to earn her own money? Why would any decent man not agree to all of those things?

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  42. I think some of you ladies are wanting to convert this website into a website treating men and women equally. Which you believe would be the right thing to do. I however would not waste even a second of my time trying to be the five hundred millionth website pushing either Equality, or Female supremacy. There is plenty of that rot out there already, destroying marriages and children’s homes. You naïvely think that Feminism is about equality, when ray correctly pointed out that it is about rebellion. Satan wanted to be like the Most High and thereby usurp God, then he offered Eve to become like a god. Feminism is about rebellion against God’s patriarchal order. And it includes celebrating abortion, slut pride parades, the attempt to erase the sexes, and the ever present hate of both God and man. You can’t make Feminism about mom and apple pie. If the Feminists get their way, there will be no traditional “moms” and they won’t bake any apple pies for others to enjoy. The Feminist God haters won’t ever be done with their rebellion until fire and brimstone rains down from heaven, just like the rebels in Sodom, or until Jesus, who 100% patriarchally does the will of His Father, orders them cast into hell.

    CLR’s Female glossary list is filled with descriptors. Apparently those words are only ever to apply to men, not women. Well probably the two most offensive names are Cunts and Bitches, and Jesus called the Syrophoenician woman a dog(the female dog being a bitch)
    Mark 7:26 The woman was a Greek, a Syrophoenician by nation; and she besought him that he would cast forth the devil out of her daughter. 27 But Jesus said unto her, Let the children first be filled: for it is not meet to take the children’s bread, and to cast it unto the dogs. 28 And she answered and said unto him, Yes, Lord: yet the dogs under the table eat of the children’s crumbs. 29 And he said unto her, For this saying go thy way; the devil is gone out of thy daughter.

    Did you catch that? “For this saying go thy way” Her daughter was healed when she acknowledged to Jesus that she was an undeserving dog, but yet still had the faith to shamefacedly beg for her crumb. Jesus wasn’t a Feminist, he came to call sinners to humble repentance.
    Jesus saith unto her, Go, call thy husband, and come hither.
    go, and sin no more.
    Jesus came to free women from bondage to sin, not of their God given purpose to serve and reverence their husband, who is the image of God.
    The whoring churches have sold you a false Jesus a blasphemous “Buddy Christ”.
    Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
    Jesus obeyed His Father in everything, even unto death. That’s complete patriarchy.
    1 Peter 2:20 For what credit is it if, when you sin and are beaten for it, you endure? But if when you do good and suffer for it you endure, this is a gracious thing in the sight of God. 21 For to this you have been called, because Christ also suffered for you, leaving you an example, so that you might follow in his steps. … 3:1 Likewise, wives, be subject to your own husbands, so that even if some do not obey the word, they may be won without a word by the conduct of their wives, 2 when they see your respectful and pure conduct.

    That’s God’s word. Women are called to be holy even as God is holy. No excuses! Otherwise you’ll need to repent and be redeemed. Why do you ladies care what the Bible says to men? Your instructions apply even if husbands do not obey the word. As for men, it is our job to care, to have dominion, and to lead women into righteousness, to scrub the shit off of them with the word of God leaving not a single spot or blemish (Ephesians 5:25-27)
    I’m just serving my divine purpose, rebel women. And I occasionally like to provocatively use the word “cunt” to take the Feminists’ god’s name in vain. The churchians get their panties all steamy when I call them cunt-worshippers, but for now they can’t do a thing about it but whine that I don’t serve their goddess the great whore.
    All hail my head, Christ, and His head, the Father. And women, who is your head? (1 Corinthians 11:3) It is high time you repented of your rebellion and became the servants of your head, as the men of the church are to be the servants of Christ. You are to submit to your husband’s in everything as unto the Lord. If you do that, you’ll never ever have another moment of disunity, or another argument, and it is likely your husband will then love the stuffing out of you. If you want to see how submitted a woman is to following God, you need not look any further than to see how submitted she is to her husband.

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  43. See! See what you did, Pastor Sharkly? You fussed up the barn hens, all the hay is tossed about, and now it’s iffy whether they’ll be eggs tomorrow for the Master’s Table.

    It is going on your bill.

    You should follow my example and take into consideration others’ feelings, the internal anguish caused by sinister exposure to vile patriarchalism and all its associated maladies.

    Pastor, at this time I must come alongside, and share with you the sad news that your behavior herein has thrown me into a Category Three Pre-Episodic Depression. Because of the hurt you have caused to these lovely ladies, chiefly.

    Currently I am sedated and reclused in benevolent climes, and the prognosis of my Anxiety Therapist — Professor Irwin Corey — appears hopeful. However, some damage has already been done, primarily to myself, but also to said ladies, and indeed to all fine females everywhere. The trail of horror leads back to you.

    Enough of the terror. Please consider repenting of your grievous ways.

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  44. Good grief; you guys…I was simply suggesting compromise and now you are all up in arms again with all your rants and saying the same thing over and over and over again. Sharkly, where did I say my “female glossary” applies to men? Oh, right….I didn’t. You made it up. Where did I say this website should be about equality? I never even mentioned that in my post. And who are you, Sharkly to tell me that I am to submit to my husband? I’ve been married 40 years; how about you? You think I don’t submit? Oh, indeed I do. My post was about compromise but you’re having none of it. Women must be perfectly submissive by your standard. You are telling me to repent of my rebellion? What rebellion is that and how dare you? Save it for your poor, desperate wife. I follow the Bible to the best of my ability and have a husband who is a strong leader and would take a bullet for me. I’d do anything for him. THAT ‘S a marriage, boys. I suggest you all swallow your sinful pride and get on with it.
    I won’t read or comment here again which will suit you fine; I’m going to go have passionate sex with my wonderful husband….the one I’d do anything for….the one who would die for me.
    Want to give me any more advice? No, didn’t think so. Not one of you is qualified.
    Best wishes and may God watch over you.

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  45. Swanny River,
    I hear you. ‘Amused Mastery’ isn’t always my first inclination either. Dr. Jordan Peterson said that there is no longer any mechanism in our society to correct a crazy woman. A generation or two ago you could just bitch-slap them for being disrespectful, and there was almost no divorce then, because there was a quick and effective mechanism to correct a crazy woman who forgot her place. Unfortunately the Feminists have taken almost all ability away from a husband to get his wife to comply with anything.(muscles are mostly just for looks now) And those fools think our crime ridden society is a step forward from when fathers ruled their families like well oiled machines. Too bad you can’t just “keep your pimp hand strong”(as the new modern parlance goes) Although I’m not sure “the pimp hand” is internet compatible. Ah, the good ol’ days! For what credit is it if, when you sin and are beaten for it, you endure? Now nobody gets beaten for sin, a grave societal failing, that has led to all sorts of sinful abuse running rampant. Ladies triggered in: three, two, one, … Ace will again want to tell us that New Zealand has outlawed spanking, but leads the world in child abuse, and yet again she will fail to see cause and effect at work. If people can’t discipline their child effectively when they first get frustrated by them, later on they end up harming the child after they’ve lost their wits. The policy of no spanking is just abuse of the whole family. Don’t make me bust out all the “rod” Bible verses. Thy rod and thy staff they comfort me. Well defined boundaries make for more comfortable wives and kids.

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  46. Sharkly – The verse you quoted about Jesus not being a feminist and instead calling sinners to repentance backs up exactly what I’ve been saying all along – Jesus calls EVERYONE, EQUALLY, to repentance – not just men. The women in that verse humbled herself, just as everyone (men and women) are called to be humble at the feet of Jesus. It was a test of her faith and an assault on her pride, and when she showed her humility, she was blessed. Jesus asked no less of the men He taught. He wants to break down the pride of all of us. Why would He bother with doing that to women if women are so inferior?

    Jesus spoke with women. He taught them. He healed them. He ate with them and visited with them. If Jesus believed women were inferior to men, He would have only spoken to the men and completely ignored the women. He wouldn’t have healed them and spoken to them directly and led them to salvation – He would have left that to the men to do. If you are right, and men are the ones who are supposed to be leading women to righteousness and “scrubbing the shit off them” then why would Jesus have bothered with women? Wouldn’t he have just taught the men and kept the women away and told the men to go and teach the women what they needed to know? As we all know, he didn’t do that.

    When He was in the house of Mary and Martha, He encouraged them to cast aside their womanly duties for a time and listen to His word. Martha was expecting Jesus to berate Mary for not helping her with the womanly tasks she was performing, but Jesus showed her that listening and learning was more important. If women should be spending all their time in womanly tasks, catering to their husband’s every whim, why was Jesus pleased with Mary’s choice to turn her back on it at that time?
    Why would Jesus treat women with such respect and such equality (not sameness, but of equal value) if He didn’t inherently believe in equality?

    Equality and female supremacy are opposite things.

    I can’t speak for all ladies, but I care what the Bible says to men because Ephesians 5:21 speaks of submitting one to another out of reverence for Christ, which means us all doing our respective duties, and all being able to expect to be treated properly.

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  47. Yes Sharkly, sadly, my country does lead the world in child abuse, but that’s nothing to do with outlawing spanking children. I’m pretty sure we held that dubious honour long before the “anti-smacking” law as we know it here, was brought in. That law was an attempt to try to stop some of the abuse, but all it’s really done is criminalise good parents. Most child abuse is not perpetrated by the parents, but by a stepfather or the mother’s boyfriend. So it’s actually nothing to do with not being able to discipline children – it’s normally committed by someone who isn’t a loving parent, or even a parent at all.

    I’m fairly sure I’ve also said on here before that I don’t have a problem with consensual wife-spanking if that is what works for couples, and my research would suggest it’s far more common than what you might think.

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  48. CLR,
    LOL I was just pointing out that you’re not making a list of the critical words used at one of the millions of Feminist sites, you found one of the few sites like this one and feel you must correct men. Now you are seemingly commanding me to respect you. “And who are you, Sharkly to tell me that I am to submit to my husband?” I’m just a servant of God, trying to lead you to righteousness. “My post was about compromise but you’re having none of it.” And I’m still not interested in compromising God’s commands. “Women must be perfectly submissive by your standard.” No, that’s by God’s standard. “You are telling me to repent of my rebellion? What rebellion is that and how dare you? Actually, again, it is God who is commanding you to repent of your rebellion. Don’t say you have none, or that I’m not witnessing any. LOL “I’m going to go have passionate sex with my wonderful husband.” If you actually do that, then I’ve already had a good effect on you. “Want to give me any more advice? No, didn’t think so. Not one of you is qualified.” Actually all of us men here are qualified and expected by God to be able to wield his ‘sword’ that is the word of God. And yes I’ll try to be continuing to advise folks here, Lord willing. But your first stop for guidance should be your husband, so that you can make sure you are submitting to him in everything as unto the Lord.

    Now if I may boldly ask you a question, your mood seems to really have quite a wide range, is there something we should know to better understand you and bear your condition in mind with more compassion?

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  49. Ace, I don’t have the time to respond to all your stuff right now, but Ephesians 5:21 is speaking of brothers in the church submitting one to another. and verse 22 and on is specific to husbands and wives and says that the wife is to submit to the husband in everything as unto the Lord, just as the church is to submit to Christ in everything.

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  50. What on earth makes you think Ephesians 5:21 is speaking to only brothers in the church and not all believers? There is nothing to indicate that verse is to specific people rather than a general command to all.

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  51. I regret to inform the site that I have transitioned from a Category Three Pre-Episodic Depression into a Category Four Full Funk.

    I have gone inpatient at Sisters of Perpetual Victim Hospital, and currently am on 24-hour ‘funk observation’. My Anxiety Therapist apparently moved to Bali and this is not helping my general unease.

    Ace, CLR and I forget who all-else here are responsible for the trauma and suffering I am undergoing, and I hope they will consider how hurtful and damaging their comments have been.

    Of course I will keep you all up-to-date with the latest news about my delicate — but dangerous — condition. Because I know you care.

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  52. Ray
    I’d care but I am incapacitated temporarily by a stage II paralysis over the gals ability to have the convo focused on them. At least IKR, Lost Patrol, and Feeriker are staying true and not responding to the bait.

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  53. Ace,
    On the relation of Ephesians 5:21 to 5:22-24 you have to apply your hermeneutics, and interpret the Bible in such a way that it does not disagree with itself, thereby making your God a simpleton who can’t keep His thoughts straight. There is a general command for brethren in the church to submit to one another, however when specifically addressing the husbands and wives their relation is one sided submission, in everything according to God’s hierarchy given in 1 Corinthians 11:3. It really is that simple.

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  54. Ace says: “Jesus calls EVERYONE, EQUALLY, to repentance”
    Sharkly responds: So clearly then all women are sinners and all women need to repent.
    Our female audience then collectively descends into a fit of crying out for equality. As though there is some unspoken churchian rule that I’ve always got to speak to men equally or harder than I speak to women. If you go to any gathering of churchians you’ll see this Feminist rule being followed. They’ve also got to sandwich any critical comment about women between two mountains of praise. And profusely pre-apologize for saying any criticism of females in the first place. It is clear whom they fear and revere. I have mostly been freed of that Feminist affectation.

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  55. Together our female friends are trying to teach us men something! To hop onboard our own usurpation train! LOL

    1 Timothy 2:9 In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with braided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array; 10 But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works. 11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. 12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. 13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

    Together the women give the emotional appeal to return to the cunt-worship plantation:

    I think the basic issue is that some of the men here are rigid patriarchal males and accept nothing less than biblical perfection from women. It’s just not realistic as far as I can see and I would hope that they are able to modify their standards to a more human, reasonable level that well intended Christian women might be able to achieve.
    Your wife has wisely decided that she can’t stand your rigid, uncompromising demands.
    You are so bent on demanding a docile, completely submissive wife that you have no chance of finding anyone who will meet your standard.
    …no fault divorce was put in place to give women an escape from abusive men…
    You should give up on your wife Sharkly, and get used to being single. She ain’t never coming back to you. Not with an attitude like yours.
    Sharkly’s wife is never coming back to him while he has the attitude he does. It’s a simple fact.
    He might want a woman who worships him the way he thinks he deserves to be worshiped, but that’s not reality…
    …it’s so incredibly obvious to me (and probably everyone who cares to look) that a woman who is using intimacy as a tool (which is the basis of intimacy anorexia) to manipulate her husband is not going to come back to him while he is insisting she repent and break and change.
    At it’s core, feminism is about equality, nothing more…
    At it’s core, feminism isn’t anti-families or anti-babies; it’s simply about equality and choice.
    Patriarchy (using the historical definition of “father rule”) isn’t even against feminism – it’s about protecting women.
    Feminism had been twisted into something evil by some, but at it’s core, it isn’t.
    Considering the patriarchal culture Jesus came to, the way he treated women was pretty outrageous for those times – that’s why some have claimed He was a feminist.
    Clearly the men on this blog are patriarchal and are completely against feminism in any form.
    Nowhere did I find statements by men who are looking to improve the situation by finding a compromise with women on any level.
    … from what I have read here, that the only acceptable woman is a Christian woman who lives a perfectly submissive life … [and has] sex (like a porn star) on demand.
    Here’s the problem….nowhere do men take any responsibility for their behavior … that they might have room for improvement.
    … it seems that feminism is here to stay; at least for a long while. Is there not some compromise?
    How are any of you ever going to find the perfect woman? I have never met a woman who could meet the standards you all demand.
    I understand that you want perfect adherence to Biblical principles by women but is that reasonable?
    I think you’re going to have to accept compromise if you want a woman in your life. After 40 years in a Christian marriage, I can tell you there has been some compromise. And there will be more; yet it’s a wonderful, happy marriage.
    I think you will find that most, if not all, women are actually feminists, in the true definition of feminism: equal rights and opportunities for all, regardless of gender.
    I’m going to go have passionate sex with my wonderful husband….the one I’d do anything for
    I’m fairly sure I’ve also said on here before that I don’t have a problem with consensual wife-spanking if that is what works for couples, and my research would suggest it’s far more common than what you might think.

    Let me summarize: You men are just bitter, uncompromising, Christian-Taliban wife abusers for taking so much of the Bible literally, and wanting women to follow it. If only you will go back to making the compromises your blue-pill churchian brothers make to Feminism, all will be forgiven, and you’ll get loyal enthusiastic pornstar sex on demand. Your Beta-male craving wife will likely even let you spank her out of respect for failing all of her shit-tests and letting her effectively overrule you whenever she feels like it. Oh and did we mention that the deal also includes a bridge! Its the ‘Equality Bridge’ and we’ll throw it in free, if you act now.

    Let me rush back into being a cringeworthy henpecked churchian beta-male, I’m sure my loyal enthusiastic pornstar sex on demand goddess was just waiting to spring forth like a Jack-in-the-box, if only I’d turned her crank one more time. Seventeen straight years of a woman returning evil for good, when I was trying everything to please her, was apparently not near enough cunt-worship to merit even the first bit of human decency. Just go on, fall for her manipulation some more. Be a good cuck! Give up your birthright, for a bowl of hot mess. Give up your dominion, bow yourself, the image of God, down to your goddess. Satan loves you. He wouldn’t lead you wrong. He loves the image of God. /S 😉

    TLDR: Put the goddesses back up above us onto their pedestals and womankind promises to grant us returning prodigal cunt-worshippers their sexual seal of approval. /S 😉 No thanks!

    And let me add this….I have been married for 40 years … I’m an attorney … care for my 10 grandchildren … I have been studying the Bible longer than some of you have been alive. … I’m going to go have passionate sex with my wonderful husband.

    LOL Not only did feminist lawyer granny rant at us, but the indiscretion of sharing her geriatric sex life, smote me with a couple dry heaves.

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  56. Yes Pastor Sharkly, when I read of the hard-charging feminist granny bragging about her sexual appetites, the nurses here at Sister of Perpetual Victim Hospital had to wrap me in cold sheets. I was just so darn hot to be part of whatever Christo-fem granny lawyer was doing to her pore hubby!

    I was on the Road to Recovery but no, now this has set me back.

    Please pray for me that the image of FemBot Granny doing the gravy-mix with somebody will be wiped clean from my seared mind. The nurses here are despondent; only God can help me now.

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  57. Swanny River —

    I was saddened to learn of the onset of your Stage II Paralysis, and I know very well that were you not struggling under this burden, you would care about my own troubles and trials. Likewise, I also would care about you, under other circumstances, perhaps. Lemme get back to you on that.

    So much Potential Caring! in this wacky ‘n wonderful world. Darned if it don’t humble me and snif . . . snurf sniffle . . . see what you did now? Got me all emotional.

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  58. JRL says: Haha, Sharkly…..guess those women really hit a nerve! LOL! They’re still laughing at you.

    LOL Actually I was quite passionate about warning people to follow God’s patriarchal design, and God’s moral commands for both sexes long before these women commented about any of it. You could say that societies’ rebellious sins, and my wife’s, and the churchians’, who support her, are what has hit my nerve. It doesn’t matter to me a bit who might be laughing at me. I want to call them to repentance and righteousness through the fear of the LORD. My behavior, lifestyle, and manhood, aren’t determined by popular opinion. Like righteous Job, and his God, I laugh right back at my mockers. Enjoy some chosen scriptures about this:

    Proverbs 29:9 If a wise person disputes with a fool, there is railing and ridicule but no resolution.

    Job 12:1 Then Job answered and said: 2 “No doubt but ye are the people, and wisdom shall die with you! (LOL) 3 But I have understanding as well as you; I am not inferior to you. Who does not know such things as these? 4 I am a laughingstock to my friends; I, who called to God and He answered me, a just and blameless man, am a laughingstock. 5 In the thought of one who is at ease there is contempt for misfortune; it is ready for those whose feet slip. 6 The tents of robbers are at peace, and those who provoke God are secure, who bring their god in their hand. 7 But ask the beasts, and they will teach you; the birds of the heavens, and they will tell you; 8 Or speak to the earth, and it shall show thee: or the fishes of the sea, and they shall declare unto thee. 9 Who among all these does not know that the hand of the Lord has done this? 10 In His hand is the life of every living thing and the breath of all mankind.
    … 12:13 With God are wisdom and might; He has counsel and understanding.
    … 12:16 With Him are strength and wisdom; the deceived and the deceiver are His. 17 He leads counselors away stripped, and judges He makes fools. 18 He looseth the bond of kings, And He bindeth their loins with a girdle.
    … 12:20 He removes the speech of those who are trusted, and takes away the understanding of the elders.
    … 12:23 He makes nations great, and He destroys them; He enlarges nations, and leads them away. 24 He takes away understanding from the chiefs of the people of the earth and makes them wander in a trackless waste. 25 They grope in the dark without light, and He makes them stagger like a drunken man.

    Psalm 2:1 Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing? 2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the Lord, and against His anointed, saying, 3 Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us. 4 He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision.

    Psalm 59:8 But Thou, O Lord, shalt laugh at them; Thou shalt hold all the heathen in derision. 9 Because of his strength, I will wait upon Thee; for God is my defense.

    Proverbs 1:26 I also will laugh at your calamity; I will mock when your fear cometh, 27 when your fear cometh as desolation, and your destruction cometh as a whirlwind, when distress and anguish cometh upon you. 28 Then shall they call upon me, but I will not answer; they shall seek me early, but they shall not find me, 29 because they hated knowledge, and did not choose the fear of the Lord. 30 They would have none of my counsel, and they despised all my reproof:

    Luke 6:25b Woe unto you that laugh now! for ye shall mourn and weep.

    Sharkly has been soothfast with you.

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  59. Sharkly, if you truly are passionate about calling people to repentance, why do you use so much bad language in your posts? Shouldn’t the fruits of the spirit be evident in a Christ-filled life? The fruits here are pretty unpleasant at times, and certainly not in the spirit of the Gospel.
    In our little fellowship meeting this morning one young father spoke of the responsibility he feels to raise up his young son in the right way, and prayed that when people look on his life, that the way he lives would point people to Jesus.
    That’s probably how most of us feel, as Christians, that the testimony we live would be strong and true.
    How then do you reconcile bitterness, hatred, anger, bad language, and criticism with being passionate about calling people to repentance?

    On another note, thanks for your supplement suggestions about my son. The health shop had some of what you suggested (can’t remember the name) and it seems to be helping.

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  60. DMSO and boswellia serrata. That’s what I got. So far, they’re helping.
    Honestly, if I’d known how scary and heartbreaking being a parent was going to be, I don’t know that I would have been brave enough to do it.

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  61. Ace,
    1 Corinthians 13:5 says that “love is not easily provoked”. However, if after 17 years of niceness and constant effort I have still not got my wife to quit diabolically evil distancing behaviors that she began on our honeymoon, there comes a time where Love is provoked to anger. Otherwise God, who is love, would not spend half the Bible telling us all the deeds, words, and attitudes that make Him angry, and warning us not to do them or He will burn us eternally for it. Yes, my word choices, are quite different from what they once were. Once people cleaned up their vocabulary around me. However, my message is offensive regardless of how I put it. People will find fault no matter how I say it. However, quite often the talk is wholesome, even if some of the words are not nice. Folks will buy R-rated movies, and let their kids watch them, but call me out for language that isn’t half as bad as what they bought to share with their family. So I sort of view people who go to work and hear the worst cursing all day long, and say nothing about it, but choose to assail my vocabulary because they don’t want to address the Biblical truths I throw out, as hypocritical nitpickers.
    All that being said, I probably should try not to throw off the weaker brothers with my strong language. So, I’ll propose you a deal. If you’ll try to refrain from speaking disrespectfully of men, I’ll try to refrain from using some of my most provocative words, unless I really feel they are appropriate. The Bible says:
    1 Peter 2:17 Honor all men. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honor the king.
    You are commanded to honor all men, along with reverencing your own husband. So my deal shouldn’t be something for you to balk at, since you stand to win something, for doing what you already should be doing. Let me know if you are willing to try that deal out.

    Also I’m glad that your son may be doing a bit better. I’m glad if my supplement knowledge was able to help. I have studied a lot of health issues that affect members of my extended family, but I’m not really sure what is up with your son, nor have I studied it too much, so those three supplements that I recommended are just the first things I would try based upon my limited knowledge of the situation. If your son gets to smelling too strong, you might back off on the DMSO, which will make him smell odd since dimethyl sulfide is one of the metabolites of DMSO. However, if you’ve got him at home due to seizures and loss of consciousness, then his funny smell shouldn’t be too big of a problem, and he can’t likely smell it himself, since the scent is emanating from his whole body including his nose. Sometime I may make a post about some health remedies, like how DMSO mixed with vinegar will travel through your skin and into your tissue and instantly neutralize the slightly alkaline enzyme in the venom that necrotizes your tissue after being bitten by a brown recluse spider.

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  62. Sharkly – Your bad language doesn’t offend me personally, it was more of a general question. Someone once told me that tact is the art of telling someone to go to hell in such a way that they stay and ask you for directions 🙂 I was kinda thinking that in order to let people to Jesus or call them to repentance or wherever your convictions lie, the above definition of tact could be a good way to go about it.

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  63. ” men here are rigid patriarchal males and accept nothing less than biblical perfection from women. It’s just not realistic ”

    I maintain women tell you point-blank everything about themselves. I enter the above into evidence.

    How dare we, as humans, hold each other up to the standards that God laid out. Will we fail? Absolutely: both at upholding them in each other, and in achieving them in our own lives.
    But yet the standard is the standard. It’s what it means to be Christian. Anything short of this, and you’re just a Sunday Johnny-come-lately.

    Reminds me of one of you lads who postulated somewhere that the lame-duck pastor at their congregation asked them if they ‘wanted to be right, or wanted to be in a relationship’ with a woman. False dichotomy, of course, but demonstrates everything we ever need to know about their resolve, theology and, well, manhood since these are the foundation to being a man, created is His image.

    Let’s pick and choose what is ‘accomplish-able’ or ‘realistic’ in a relationship. It’s a thinly veiled guise at control. And a woman in headship, is a shame to Her Creator. 1 action for her to perform: repent.

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  64. Ace, I hear what you are saying, but I feel a bit differently.
    I think there are a million tactful silver-tongued metrosexual ministers who all claim to be serving God. If God wanted one more slick salesman to peddle His Son’s blood via lifestyle marketing and a free CD of Kumbaya, He has picked a man too brash to do it. I think God must want his message proclaimed boldly, insistently, and without apology if He intends to use me to deliver it.

    Luke 14:23 And the lord said unto the servant, Go out into the highways and hedges, and compel them to come in, that my house may be filled.

    I’m not above badgering people online towards the kingdom of heaven with the constant reminder of the imminent threat of their eternal damnation in fiery torment, for unbelief, disobedience, and being ashamed of the words of God in this adulterous generation. So that they won’t go down to the pit without being accosted and compelled to turn to repentance, by me, as best I can perturb the sleepers.

    Ephesians 5:14 Therefore it is said, “Awake, O sleeper, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give you light.”

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  65. Women posting here are commanded to be respectful to men but the men here are so incredibly disrespectful to women. Why Ace continues to post comments and then get slapped in the face every single time is a mystery to me.

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  66. Sharkly, you have one of the best attitudes I’ve ever seen online. I followed your link you left on my thyroid post and it was STILL hard to understand LOL. I’ll keep reading it… probably will get my husband to help me see if it makes more sense to him, but thank you, all the same!

    I didn’t know Dalrock had banned you until following some links from Sigma Frame’s recent post. I’m so sorry. Your comments never seem trollish or purposefully causing crazy arguments like I’ve seen before there, but all the same, at least you’re doing your own blog.

    Thanks again for the link!

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  67. Wow! Just read some more of the above comments.. whoever CLR is, she’s got to be bipolar.

    Again, you have a great attitude I’ve seen from lots of different places where I’ve read your comments. Great work and keep going!!!

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  68. Stephanie —

    About the attitude, I agree. The same characteristic I noticed concerning his prayer for reconciliation with his wife, even after such calamities.

    Sharkly is more concerned about what’s best for his whole family than what might gratify him at present. Speaking of Calamity, he’s willing to bear having her back, for the sake of the unit.

    That made it easier talking to Papa and the King. I couldn’t ask for reconciliation because she rebels in free will, gotta tread cautious there. I noticed that Swanny River prayed for reconciliation, which (for him) is good:

    “The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.
    Elias was a man subject to like passions as we are, and he prayed earnestly that it might not rain: and it rained not on the earth by the space of three years and six months.” (James 5)

    Here Scripture doesn’t mean (impossible) righteousness like Jeshua, it means righteousness to the extent the rest of us chumps can manage. God’s ears are open to those about His business. It is satan’s world but Father’s servants have real power here.

    I can’t intervene because when Eve rebelled, God didn’t wave it off or promptly rid her of rebellion . . . He poured spirit on the fire and whoosh! it became woman’s daily breach, and this planet’s religion! :O)

    One of the reasons there’s no God like ours is that ours is THE God of Love, and His (immanent) eternal Kingdom is of Love and of the Father. A ordinary-looking man rambling around ancient Israel insisting on an eternal Kingdom of LOVE (of what!? excuse me?) during the Roman Occupation was harder for the locals to grok than miracles.

    Father and his King aren’t much in the business of destroying love, not real love, what I’m given to know. I’m not sure about the disposition of Pastor Sharkly’s relationship with his wife, but am sure his bond with his children is sealed and eternal, and he should go forward with certainty and clarity, setting up the Lord’s Kingdom with loss, but without grief.

    What now seems an unrecoverable loss — time and presence with one’s children — is restored and far more, producing good fruit (first crop herein), and later proving to have glorified and pleased Papa.

    I’m sure you’ll agree with me Stephanie that Pastor Sharkly should remain fervent and be patient in the LORD.

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  69. ray, A few days back I was reading from the letter 1st Clement, a letter from Clement an early church father to the church in Corinth on the occasion of some disunity and usurping of leadership going on there. I found the following bit:

    CHAPTER 56 — LET US ADMONISH AND CORRECT ONE ANOTHER.
    Let us then also pray for those who have fallen into any sin, that meekness and humility may be given to them, so that they may submit, not to us, but to the will of God.

    Regarding my wife, I have begun to pray this, not knowing any better, but wanting to try anything and everything to bring her to repentance. What do you think of that?

    This Thursday as I was taking my sons back to drop them off at my wife’s place, my youngest son prayed that God would bring our family back together before Thanksgiving. He really wants to have his family back together. I felt heartbroken thinking I’ve been praying for her for 17 years straight, and she has only grown more hardened in her heart, and evil in her ways. I know that God is able to do all things, but I hate to see the continued stubbornness of his mother contribute to the testing or destruction of my boy’s faith. I didn’t know what to tell him, so I didn’t comment on his sweet prayer. I was thinking that the chances of his mother putting his childhood above her own wicked behavioral addiction, is about zero. It would truly take a miracle to cut through her hardened heart.
    Previously my wife’s church had had the boys select a missionary to pray for. The one they selected, a big strong man married to a cousin of mine, ended up going in for an operation to reduce his headaches, but he wound up with brain damage, and now is frail and in a wheelchair unable to eat or speak, he sits there wobbling around tremoring and coughing continually on his own mucus. It seems as if whatever they pray for, the opposite happens. I need to figure out how to best encourage their faith in the face of trials and loss, and denied prayers. Besides just being a personal example of perseverance in the midst of great ruin.

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  70. “What do you think of that?”

    It’s commendable that you wish re-union with your wife fervently, in the interest of the family.

    I haven’t read Clement, don’t expect to. The Church fathers far as I’m concerned are the prophets and apostles, with a sprinkling of other OT types like Joshua the Conqueror, Jehu and whatnot.

    The only ritual prayer/act I partake of is daily revivification of the Lord’s Prayer. God doesn’t want rite or repetition from us, He wants the stuff Jesus asked for. Clement is just a man and I don’t recite the prayers of men, nor rely upon their efficacy.

    That is a beautiful spontaneous prayer made by your son, I’m pleased by him, and I’m sure the prayer arrived at its intended destination. It’s to your credit that he turned to God for relief, as the son can only do what he sees dad doing. To paraphrase.

    You and your sons cannot ever be sundered, not really. This world passes by fast then poof! it ain’t. Let your sons bathe in your faith and confidence of eternity.

    But your wife, I cannot promise such a thing. It’s up to her, not to me or you or the boys.

    Pastor Sharkly if a church is hollow of the Spirit, then who or what is it full of?

    IOW please don’t ask your wife’s church to pray for me. Or think about me. Or do anything for me.

    In fact, just don’t ever mention me at all, thanks. :O)

    “It seems as if whatever they pray for, the opposite happens.”

    It’s a terrible thing to fall into the hand of the Living God, your cousin’s husband mighta. You saw what happened to Nebuchadnezzar, went full krittur for awhile.

    The prayers of your sons are not being denied, but put on hold according to the Lord’s wisdom. Tell them what I told you, it’s the plain truth, they have a God of Love, but this is satan’s world (for now) and bad situations are inevitable. But nothing’s being stolen or taken from you, appearances and understandable grief notwithstanding. Philadelphia is called to endure.

    Today a local woman came up to converse with me, as best my pidgin espanol allows, she was sad because her grandson died a few weeks ago, of brain cancer, after many surgeries and great suffering. I’d heard about his death previously.

    She and I had spoken at length many months ago concerning her grandson, who was eleven or twelve I believe . . . perhaps around the age of one of your sons? I promised her I’d talk to Papa about it, once I figured out what I wanted to say.

    Anyway, when she and I talked today I told her I’d asked God not for a specific outcome for her grandson, but for mercy generally. Meaning I’d hoped for a resolution, either of healing or of return to God. She understood that what had taken place was a hard thing — a very hard thing, for the boy and for the whole family — but was a benevolent and necessary thing. This is not heaven.

    You might also consider repeating that story to your sons, when they despair over the restoration of your family. And count their blessings over the time you do have together, and over the many good things God has placed in their lives, chief of which are their relationships with Him and you.

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  71. I’m definitely praying for you and your boys, Sharkly. I remember being a child and feeling strange when seeing something I’d pray for, turn out the opposite, of course it feels like God didn’t listen, but there could be so much more going on in the woven tapestry He’s creating that I don’t see personally.

    17 years is a long time (I thought this was more recent – your attitude is just so good in the face of so much evil!). I know that we never know what God’s ultimate plan is, and He seems to allow Satan a lot of control down here in swaying people like your wife to just continue on in evil… basically until their death! That’s the, “normal,” route, unfortunately. We can still have hope, and resist bitterness, but I’ve heard that gets harder with age… when someone sees all the bad that was allowed to happen, how God didn’t step in in the ways we expected/wanted Him to (perhaps He *did* though in other ways!). I don’t think it’s wrong to let your sons know the reality of the situation, and how it may never be resolved, and that’s a symptom of living down here, and of sinful mothers (who realistically… they ruin families all the time now days). But of course you should do what you feel is right in regard to how to counsel them while they’re young. We’re VERY honest with our kids… my parents always were like that with me, and I appreciated it so much more than if they hadn’t been totally (brutally) honest.

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  72. Stephanie,
    Thank you for your prayers. Ray, thank you also.
    Just in case it is a bit confusing, I got married over 17 years ago, and things were bad from the wedding day and on. Before the end of our honeymoon she was taunting me that she had sucked other men’s dicks because she respected them, but that she would consider it demeaning to have to do that for her husband, and that she never would. She was absolutely the opposite before the wedding.(“repentant”, loving, respectful, full of desire for me) I hoped that once we got back out to where I lived in the Bible belt, I’d get her plugged into a church, and they’d help me to straighten her out, but apparently that was wishful thinking. Who knew husbands were to be blamed 100% for absolutely everything.(Churchian policy) By a month into our marriage my wife was screaming in my face that it was going to be her way or the marriage was over. Six months into our marriage she tells me that her former sex partners said I was a bad husband. I asked her when did you start emailing them, and she replies, Oh, I never stopped. A year in we were in marriage counselling with a pastor, and two years in he quit and told me he couldn’t help because she had no desire to honor her marriage vows. He basically said good luck, I can’t help you. It was at that point I began realizing what a waste of space our churches were. They can’t even help a failing marriage. The dude always tried to call offsetting penalties. He couldn’t just side with a clearly wronged husband and tell the wife to submit. He had to somehow come up with some way that I was half at fault for all her wickedness. Less than four years in we went to another pastor, and old man, who gave us the only good counsel we ever got. He basically told my wife she was wrong about everything, and she needed to quit her online affairs again. She would never go back to him, yet she blamed me for not going back, but in just that one session where he basically told her to quit being a retarded whore, he improved our marriage so much, that we decided to go ahead and have kids. Anyhow her addiction to trying to force me away to starve us both of all forms of intimacy just steadily grew worse. She ran off with my sons for nine months about 8 years ago. About 23 months ago she moved out and 22 months ago she divorced me. All this while she tells everybody she is a victim of verbal abuse, but that she wants to reconcile, meanwhile she has refused every attempt to get her to sit down and jointly discuss anything with anybody. She filed false accusations against me and kept my kids from me for another nine months until I could get her accusations completely disproven twice over. In spite of having three previously diagnosed disorders including a thought disorder, no matter what she says, people just eat it up, and believe her. Meanwhile I’m stuck trying to convince people of stuff she has done that no sane person can believe. And because after over 17 years of constant intentional torment, I’m rightfully pissed off,(love is slow to anger) they think I’m just an angry and unlikeable ogre. Anyhow If people would just follow the Bible they wouldn’t have to know who to believe, they could just know to believe God, and recommend what God commands. It really is that simple. I swear some of these churchian counselors must study the Bible just to figure out how to speak the most exactly opposite of What God would command.

    Anyhow, Thanks again for your prayers, and keep praying for me, I struggle. My wife once screamed at me that, “Only God can vindicate you, and He’s not going to!” Sometimes I wondered if she was channeling Satan, or if she came up with that stuff herself.

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  73. ” she had sucked other men’s dicks because she respected them, but that she would consider it demeaning to have to do that for her husband, and that she never would. ”

    Lo, the modern whore. All things are permitted to her lovers before matrimony, nothing is permitted her husband within. She gleefully chased the world, and is devoid of joy where it is allowed- nay, encouraged- nay, required. It is a complete reversal of God’s design. She is clearly on the road to Hell. For her sake, repentance is her only path.

    Jesus called his best friend ‘Satan’ to his face (Mt 16:23). The woman you describe above is a Jezebel. How you have managed to keep a level head, patient, and salty in Christ is truly a testament to the King’s providence. I would have instituted corporal discipline like a father does a misbehaving child and been entirely clear of a guilty conscience. If patience is a virtue, you are virtuous- and you are storing up your treasures in Heaven.

    Testers and tempters of men… Sharkly you are a better Christian than I, indeed. Chapeau.

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  74. Well, ikr, I hope I get that all credited for virtue, but in some ways you could also see that as some “nuclear shit tests” that I foolishly failed, due to poor Blue-Pill training. Although I’m by nature alpha with men, I had spent a lifetime being retrained to be more beta with women. While it doesn’t sound right to bitch-slap your bride on your honeymoon, that might have been preferable to just protesting and arguing about it, and then deciding to fight that battle at some later date, thereby apparently emboldening her. But I have big hands, long arms, and I’m strong as Frank! So even a quick but light slap might have broken her jaw. But hey, she wasn’t using it for no good anyhow. 😉 In hindsight, I probably should have just grabbed her bags and her clothes and her stuff and started hurling it out of the honeymoon suite and told her we were done. She probably would have backed down. But I, however, was trained to never threaten the marriage. After all, I had so much going for me back then, there was no way she was going to do better. She still can’t do better, but due to her intimacy anorexia, she likely thinks that her being alone with the kids and most of my money is her best situation. Children aren’t capable of the deeper sort of intimacy that adults are, so they don’t scare the intimacy anorexic, so, because they are then preferable to them, they will often have boundary issues and seek to put children into adult roles instead. Nobody can ever understand why some teachers with good and handsome husbands sometimes end up having sexual flings with young teenage boys they teach. Unfortunately I have come to understand it all too well. They’re mental! They have a sexual addiction to withholding themselves from their spouse, so they then crave sex because they’re depriving themselves of it to avoid intimacy, so they act out with meaningless sex with those who are not wanting intimacy or capable of it. … like children. Fortunately my wife is at a primary school that only goes to fifth grade, otherwise I’d be really concerned. When I met her she was a sixth grade teacher. I went to visit her at work once for part of a day, while we were engaged, and she commented that she had “the hot kid” in her class. Even then I thought that comment was strangely alarming. And I’ve had to call her on boundary issues with our sons on multiple occasions. Why Is it too much for her church to tell her to submit to going and getting couples treatment for her intimacy anorexia? Why must they insist she be allowed to continue in her sinful addiction? They worship women, not God.

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  75. Sharkly,

    My blue pill church training would have resulted in me doing what you did in the early days of your marriage. I am not a better man than you. We just have different crosses to bear.

    I know Catholic Churches allow a marriage to be annulled.

    The Protestant churches I am familiar don’t seem to allow or have a policy regarding annulment. Is there a Biblical teaching would have allowed you to annul on your honeymoon and later marry someone else, without considering you a divorced man?

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  76. If any man take a wife, and go in unto her, and hate her,
    14 And give occasions of speech against her, and bring up an evil name upon her, and say, I took this woman, and when I came to her, I found her not a maid:
    15 Then shall the father of the damsel, and her mother, take and bring forth the tokens of the damsel’s virginity unto the elders of the city in the gate:
    (Deu 22:13-15 KJV)

    But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel:
    21 Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father’s house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die: because she hath wrought folly in Israel, to play the whore in her father’s house: so shalt thou put evil away from among you.
    (Deu 22:20-21 KJV)

    This section of Scripture may be allowing for a righteous annulment of a marriage.

    Sharkly, in your case the woman you were with on your honeymoon openly bragged about NOT being a virgin.

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  77. Unfortunately I was deceived by both my wife and the churchians. When I first met her I asked her about her sexual history, and she claimed she had fucked and sucked “less than ten” other men, and she began to cry and claimed that was all before she “got saved” two years earlier, and that she wished she had saved that all for me. She asked me if I could forgive her, and I said I would. While it is right to forgive, in hindsight it was just mind-numbingly stupid to then date and marry a whore, like churchians recommend, who according to God’s law should have been properly put to death instead. She has always claimed it is just too painful to discuss her sexual history, and I’m still the only person in her family who doesn’t know it. She actually made the others swear not to discuss it with me. Now I had no way of knowing that she would suddenly start exhibiting a hellacious behavioral addiction(Intimacy Anorexia), the moment I married her. I’m sure other whores might reform into livable wives, if you want to gamble your future on finding the exception. About three years back, during counselling she changed her story and claimed she got saved when she was ten years old, and that she had just “backslidden” a little. I never would have married or dated a person who claimed to be a “Christian fornicator”. Don’t be deceived. Those who are strong in the Lord, will tell me that she is not a follower of Christ, and I can’t say that I’ve been able to even manipulate her into ever behaving like a follower of the Bible. So yes, I’m clearly unequally yoked with an enemy of God. But as far as my wife’s “church” is concerned, She’s one of them. And I am coming to see they’re all faithless enemies of God. So, yes, on my honeymoon I suddenly realized I was completely deceived. Not only was she not repentant wishing she had saved the fucking and sucking for me, but on the contrary she was unrepentant and proud of the fact that she had cheated her future husband and got her fill, and was wanting to continue to not only defraud me, but she was wanting to repeatedly taunt me with it to inflict great pain and rejection on me, to distance herself from me.
    She says all the right stuff about faith in Jesus substitutionary death for her sins, but all her actions show her unbelief, and her profession to me to be merely words. Many will say, Lord! Lord! didn’t I defraud my husband in your name? She professes God with her mouth, but her heart is unyieldingly opposed to God’s ways. I am not “under bondage” to stay married to this unbeliever who has deserted me and divorced me, but at the moment I am still laying down my life trying to at least get her helped and reconciled for the kids best interest. I had to explain to a “Christian counselor” that I love her, even though I don’t like her intentionally repellant behavior that she is in bondage to doing. I am amazed at how few people know God, know the Bible, or even know God’s real love is not romance or reciprocated feelings. Even heathens ‘love’ their friends who ‘love’ them back.

    The funny thing is that even women of the world know the game while the churchians are too blind to see it. My divorcing wife called me while I was checking out my groceries Friday. Afterwards the checker lady asked me if that was my girlfriend calling. I said, that no, it was my wife, who is divorcing me. Well, her face lit up and then she started just flirting and acting silly and infatuated to the point that it was quite obvious. She has flirted with me in the past, but it went into overdrive when she heard I was getting divorced. Apparently she doesn’t doubt for a second that another woman would divorce a good man who would make a good husband, or at least a good lover.(whichever she was wanting) Meanwhile the woman-worshipping churchians think every husband getting divorced must be an abusive lout.

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  78. “She actually made the others swear not to discuss it with me. Now I had no way of knowing that she would suddenly start exhibiting a hellacious behavioral addiction(Intimacy Anorexia), the moment I married her. I’m sure other whores might reform into livable wives, if you want to gamble your future on finding the exception.”

    I think it really is the exception when they’re able to fully reform. I mentioned my parents were brutally honest with me growing up, one of those discussions we had were about promiscuous women and how they ***usually*** do that (have lots of sex before marriage, and then turn off the fawcet so to speak). The way it was explained to me was that the pre-marital sex kind of ruins sex for them in general a lot of the time, or they learn how to use it in an extremely manipulative way. Anyway… that and them constantly scarying me about being used helped me stay a virgin!

    I’m so sorry Sharkly. I know it sounds extreme, but the Old Testament laws did help to scare enough women into doing what was best for them (and everyone else).

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  79. Sharkly,

    That much promiscuity will cause a lot of emotional, and spiritual damage to the soul. Top that with unrepentance, lying, and refusing to respect her husband are massive negative multipliers.

    Ask God what He wants to teach you through all this.

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  80. Stephanie,
    I wish somebody had been brutally honest with me when I was growing up regarding women. I’m not sure my Father knew how bad women could get, he literally smacked them back into submission at any clear disrespect.(Ah, the good old days, when families functioned well!) I was taught the fear of God, and I kept myself pure, but I had pretty minimal standards regarding women, she just had to profess to be a Christian, look exactly like Bettie Page, have a playful side, and want to be my sex object.
    Bettie Page reading
    I actually dated two Bettie Page look-alikes, and married the second one.

    Funny true story, I was once dating two girls named Wendy at the same time, and my roommate was dating a third girl who was also named Wendy. One day we came home to find a message on our answering machine saying “Hi, it’s me, Wendy, give me a call.” We must have listened to it twenty times trying to figure out whose voice that was. In the end we decided we’d call them all and not mention the message. We never did figure out which Wendy had called.

    Bee says: “Ask God what He wants to teach you through all this.”

    I have, and I get the feeling He is going to teach it to me whether I cared to learn it or not.

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  81. Just for reference here is a 17 year old photo of my wife and I. I was 33. I thought she looked better than Bettie Page.
    I’m pretty certain I’m going to be taking my fight with my wife’s church public, in the not too distant future, And I’m prepared to suffer whatever for my beliefs. Hopefully I’m not making any mistake, but, you only get one life to prove who’s side you are on, and I’m gonna resist the devil, and his minions.
    Wedding 2002

    Besides their church website is pretty clunky. They need a new bigger and better one that is easier to find, and better describes their beliefs & ministry to the world, with regular updates. I may just be the man to help them!
    I’m just kidding about the Bettie Page requirement. I also dated a couple of really beautiful women who didn’t look like her. I just noticed that two of the women I dated, including the woman I married, both did look like her.

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  82. She wasn’t in your class. Still ain’t.

    Many of us made the same general mistake of greatly undervaluing ourselves
    (I sure did!).

    Count me in for the fight against her apostate church. Good times.

    When I was a kid, a generation or so before you, men kept both women and children in line via physical force. Rarely did it need to be shown (never, in my house) but women and kids always knew the Stick was available if we offended sufficiently. The FIRST thing the fems did in the Sixties was to demonize U.S. men as ‘abusers’ and take away their right to discipline women, via endless ‘Domestic Violence’ measures and laws.

    We see the results of men’s hands being tied behind their backs all across the degraded, dying, feminist West. And particularly in America.

    Dalrock didn’t allow discussion of this topic, probly because he figgered the fems and their State would use any such discussion against him at some point. Which they would, of course.

    But once physical restraint was stripped from men/husbands, it was really all over for Christian/family America, and certainly both the fems and the Satanists/globalists were well-aware of this too. Gradually the feminists took over the State, and men/husbands were left with zero methods for maintaining discipline and order in their families and communities.

    Instead, women became the head of the family, and the supervisors of men. God’s created order was inverted. The results of this ‘progress’ are everywhere in the United Sisterhood of Amerika.

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  83. I thank you men for your compliments. And I thank you women for your restraint.

    You’re right, ray. So much is going to be systemically wrong when men are deprived of using their God given strength to keep order within the most basic level of societal organization, the family. Cue the chorus of whining women and worthless White-Knights: “but what about abuse!” LOL When people respect the power of those rightfully above them, then that power generally doesn’t have to be used. But it needs to be there, to restore a healthy fear, when rebellion threatens the peace, unity, and integrity of the institution. What could be more holy and endearing than an appropriately disciplined woman repenting of her straying and coming back into the embrace of her God ordained guide, protector, and husband? The divine image of the church returning again to Christ! What an eternal shame that my sons have lived their entire lives in chaos, clamor, bereavement, and dysfunction, while the gospel of Christ is blasphemed, all because churchians teach that “daughters of the King”(spoiled princesses) can’t ever be corrected. They elevate women, like goddesses, above the divinely created order of God our Heavenly Father.

    Romans 3:16 Destruction and misery are in their ways: 17 And the way of peace have they not known: 18 There is no fear of God before their eyes.

    Since Feminist churchians are so fond of changing the sexes in Bible texts, bear with me while I give it a try:
    The transgression of the wicked saith within my heart, that there is no fear of God before her eyes. For she flattereth herself in her own eyes, until her iniquity be found to be hateful. The words of her mouth are iniquity and deceit: she hath left off to be wise, and to do good. She deviseth mischief upon her bed; she setteth herself in a way that is not good; she abhorreth not evil.

    Sadly, the day the picture above was taken, my wedding day, my wife tried to get out of giving me sex, after I had saved myself a virgin 33 years for her, and participated in an entire day of pageantry that she herself had planned to celebrate our “uniting”, where she was the adored icon. When I finally did badger her into giving me sex on our wedding night, she refused to allow any foreplay, she told me not to speak during the sex, and immediately afterward she hopped out of bed to repack an already perfectly packed suitcase, and refused to allow me to cuddle her. I had waited my whole life to get a begrudged quickie from which all the intimacy had been completely withheld. She had literally transformed into a completely different person, like I’d never known before, that wanted nothing to do with the man she had just married.

    But the courts, the churches, the “Christian counselors” all want to tell me that I must be wrong about her having Intimacy-Anorexia, or any intimacy issue, because all problems must be the husband’s fault. I can’t even get them to recommend she be evaluated for the condition, on behalf of the best interest of our sons, lest I be proved correct. Meanwhile I have had to be evaluated for absolutely all the false accusations they have thrown at me, just to have access to my sons, and all of the accusations have been found to be without merit. It ain’t “family court”, its just a man-abuse-center where fathers and children get bereft of each other as a sacrifice at the altar of satanic Feminism, nothing but misandrist bigotry is dispensed in their cunt-court. It is Satan’s “bait & switch”, they tell you you’ll enjoy being joined into one with the whore in the white dress, and then after years of torment, a usurping whore in a black robe ends your family, steals your children, your wages, your property, and all for no-fault and without due process. Why can these fools not see their end? The Judge is at the door!

    Revelation 6:15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; 16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: 17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

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  84. Count me in for the fight against her apostate church. Good times.

    Thank you so much. I think it is likely it will be much more effective if I have some brothers and sisters in Christ praying and participating in the spiritual and mental warfare. And there can never be enough bold witnesses sharing their words of admonition.

    Also: I don’t just ask for your help. Far be it from me to despise other churchian men and women for their cowardly silence, and not offer my voice to your aid. If any man needs me to call or write their wife and tell her to submit to them in all things, to endure “abuse” and even death for the sake of Christ who endured abuse and death for us,(1 Peter 2) and to reverence her husband in spite of all her misgivings. I’ll endeavor to do it mightily! And without apology! While I might listen and sympathize, I will not join her complaining or try to undermine your dominion! I will not primarily seek compromise, but her holy submission in everything. And it will be my pleasure to rebuke your wife, by your authority and God’s. The opportunity to serve God and my fellow men in this way will be my payment, and I will consider it an honor that you have chosen to allow me to try to admonish her towards righteousness.

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  85. When I offer to rebuke other men’s wives, that is just me living out the “Golden rule” of doing for other men, what I wished they all would do for me. Why should my wife go to a church where not a single person has rebuked her for her frivolous divorce, blaspheming the gospel, and the theft of her sons’ father from them?

    Stephanie, I hope you don’t imply that it wouldn’t also be equally sad for an unattractive couple. LOL Because that was 17 years ago, and neither my wife nor I are as young and attractive today. We’re still both reasonably attractive for our age though, although, I believe I’ve aged better than she.

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  86. ” We’re still both reasonably attractive for our age though, although, I believe I’ve aged better than she. ”

    The real attractive feature here, that no one is discussing, is that impeccable grammar. Wew! So HAWT!

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  87. that impeccable grammar. Wew! So HAWT!

    Like it geeky, do ya? I gots sum mo where dat come from! Around these here parts, when I use muh proper grammar, I reckon I gets corrected somethin’ fierce.
    Part of my childhood was spent reading the dictionary for hours on end. I liked learning words. As a little tyke I liked to use really big words to impress people. However By the age of 11 my vocabulary was so out of control that I had intelligent college educated people telling me to use smaller words so they could understand what I was saying. I then realized that having a big vocabulary only helps you up to a certain point. It was kind of hard to shut it off and figure out what words were most commonly know, and stick to them. My parents both had huge vocabularies, and associated with the best and brightest, so my vocabulary metastasized before I fully realized I was losing the ability to communicate with the hoi polloi. Anyhow, I’ve spent the last four decades trying to forget words others aren’t likely to know, and to use dialect compromised grammar, syntax, and vernacular within the ken of the bucolic. I took Bnonn to task recently over his excessive use of large arcane words, because I fought that demon and won decades ago. I can write sentences that are like a puzzles where you sit down with a dictionary and try to figure out what I said. But my point is, I guess, that I intentionally quit that, and I only bust out the Queen’s-English grammar on occasion. No, I’m not one of those kooks who speaks old English in iambic pentameter at a renaissance faire, but, I could be, and I do enjoy the smoked turkey drumsticks. But if ever there was one soul worthy of an honorary degree in lexicology, it is I, on behalf of my younger self. Thank God, now that I’m 50, forgetting stuff is finally getting really easy. What was the question?

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  88. Stephanie,
    I think it is definitely good to keep the temple of the Holy Spirit in good shape. And I work to do so. I think it is sinful to be gluttonous or too lazy to exercise. But I also have to bear in mind that not everybody was born with my genetics, and so their results may vary. When I was your age(32) I ate junk food, goofed off, hardly slept, and maintained the body of a Greek god, just by lifting a couple times a month at home. I work so much harder now to try to stay in good shape, and I have to eat right, and sleep a lot more to make it all work.

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