No Patriarchy for My Daughter!!!

A commenter, “thedeti”, left a great comment at Σ Frame describing the Feminist life script for women.   Responding to the following question: One question I have at this point is, why are a woman’s solipsistic dreams so much more important than submitting to a fantastic man who loves her? Not even sexual bonding is enough to get her to tune into her God ordained purpose as a woman? WTH??? And no matter how good her life might be, fantasy land will always be “better”.

Elspeth is correct that it is the parents’ fault. It’s also the ambient feminism that everyone swims in. Modern Western culture IS feminism. Everyone and everything is feminist. Even Christian women are feminists who are against abortion.

All women, and I mean ALL women, born after about 1960 are marinated in feminism and are feminists. All women in the US over the age of 25 are feminists, and I don’t care what anyone says to the contrary because it’s not true. EVERY man who has gotten married in the last 40 years married a feminist.

The last reason is the overarching dominant cultural narrative and “life script” that Novaseeker has explicated so well and better than I can. The narrative is basically this:

“Daughter, you can’t ever depend on a man and you can’t ever trust a man. Think about the D’s: Divorce, death, disability. What if he leaves you, cheats on you, dies on you, or becomes a cripple? You need a career so you can stand on your own two feet if you have to. You need college. You need job training. You need to earn your own money. You need to compete on equal footing with men. You are equal to men in every way, you can do anything a man can do. You don’t have to take any crap from a man and you sure as hell don’t have to “submit” to him. Any man you marry will be a completely 50/50 equal partner with you and you MUST insist on that.”

“In the meantime before you get married, it’s not really OK to have sex, but you’re going to anyway, so just make sure that if you do, you do it with men you love or at least like a lot. Or, if you’re a non-Christian, you can have all the sex you want with as many different men as you want and there will still be hot, attractive, resources-rich men waiting for you when you’re done with that.”

The ideal “life script” is:

Education, bachelor’s degree or extensive job training, move to a population center, get job, live alone or with roommates who are doing the same thing you’re doing. Advance in career, get competent or even proficient. Travel to fun and exotic tropical destinations. Have fun. Make some frivolous purchases like $800 Louis Vuitton handbags. Keep working. Probably get master’s degree. Change job if necessary. All your friends and every woman you know around your age is doing this.

During all of the above, you are dating both for fun and in the hopes of meeting a marriageable man. You are having sex with most of those men. Some are false starts. Some are short term, no more than 3-6 months. Some are long term. Again: All your friends and every woman you know around your age is doing this.

The above 2 paragraphs take her out to at least age 25, and many times to the late 20s. (It is alleged by some that many, most, women meet the man they will marry by age 23, and they then marry in their late 20s because the reported average age from relationship start to marriage is 4.9 years. This doesn’t take into account though that female average age at first marriage is 28 and creeping upwards.)

Phase 2: Meet man who you will marry. Get married in equal partnership marriage. Have one child, at most two. Options to stay home, work part time/flex time, or continue full time. Your husband also works and does significant chores around the house and takes the stress off you, as he’s expected to because you are his equal in every significant way. It’s not your job to do most of the housework and child rearing- you’re to do only half of it, and he’s to do the other half (that you decide he needs to do).

So that’s why a woman’s solipsistic dreams are more important than submitting to a fantastic man who loves her:

1) Her “dreams” (or, her life survival) predominate over marriage and everything else until she’s at least in her early 20s. During the time when she’s most attractive and most able to secure “a fantastic man who loves her”, she is spending that time getting educated and job trained so she can do what mom and dad and everyone else told her – Don’t ever be in a position where you have to depend on a man. Instead of looking for a man to take care of survival, she’s doing it herself and not nearly as well as a man can.

2) She’s entitled to “have fun” before she gets married. Travel, make and spend money. Date (i.e. have sex with) attractive men and maybe one will commit. Dating = sex. Everyone is doing this. Your parents, church and pastors usually know this but look the other way.

3) The way you find a husband is you find attractive men, have sex with them within 3 dates, and then find out if there’s enough compatibility there to keep dating. Then hopefully you get exclusive. Then hopefully, when everything is right, you get married. But EVERYTHING must be in place: His career, her career, sufficient money, a decent place to live, access to transportation and culture. She must also be satisfied she has acquired enough life experience that she is satisfying her YOLO needs and FOMO fears, and she must do this before she agrees to marriage.

4) Submission is almost completely omitted from the narrative. Women are not to submit to men. A woman dating a man is not to take the submissive position. A wife is not to submit to her husband, or if she does, she submits only when she wants to and only when she approves of the husband’s conduct. She has everyone’s permission and approval to approach men and marriage this way – even from her church and her pastors, and certainly from her mother, and almost always from her father (if she has one) Absolutely no one will tell her she is to submit to her husband “in all things, as unto the Lord” – not even her church, not even her pastors. Submission to a man equals dependence on him, and remember – she cannot be in a position where she has to depend on a man.

So how can this paradigm be fixed?

previously I gave some advice about keeping an unmarried woman in her father’s house.  But, I really would like your help in coming up with a way to counter this godless Feminist life script.   Some of the underlying assumptions made by those who accept this life script seem to be that:

1.  An olden day patriarchal lifestyle and marriage is unacceptable for their daughter.
2.  If I live a strict Bible-directed life, I will miss out on so much I would like to do.
3.  As long as I’m not the worst girl at church (e.g. the pastor’s daughter) I’m still going to heaven.
4.  I can be redeemed and a fornicator.
5.  God must judge me relative to the society all around me.
6.  Egalitarian/Complementarian marriages work better and are happier than Patriarchal marriages.
7.  My husband doesn’t deserve my best years, or for my life to focus on him.
8.  I can chase my Feminist dreams before and after marriage, and if I can, I’ll help my husband too.
9.  As a woman my goals and dreams are just as important as any man’s.
10.  My husband should do half of the domestic work, because; “Baby, I’m worth it!”

Should we do something about it?

If we only keep the brainwashed young men and women of this Feminist generation in our thoughts and prayers, things will only grow worse as the rabid Feminists charge unopposed against the last few remnants of traditional Christian patriarchy that are still left in our lives.  At this moment what I can see is that we need to change our mindset and the frame of reference of those around us.  Feminism and Hollywood have programmed and brainwashed us to believe that women are equal to men, if not morally superior.  So consequently a wife’s priorities become equal to her husband’s, if not superior.

Many of the underlying assumptions that the Feminist life script is based upon, are rooted in the idea that husbands aren’t any more important than their wives.  Churchians generally believe that now, and that male headship makes little sense, but is commanded only by reason of divine fiat.  So, they try to humor God by calling the man the head, while carrying on like he is only the co-head, or preferably only the vice president of their daughter’s future extension of their own family.  They don’t give their daughters away to belong to their husband’s clan anymore, on the contrary they feel that the husbands are being nabbed for their daughter’s matriarchal dominion.

Basically people lack the faith that God’s original ways are best, that their daughters should prepare for a faith-filled life depending on God and their husband.   They would gladly risk their daughter fornicating and being indoctrinated and radicalized into complete worldliness just to give her a chance to get a degree at a well known school of this world.  They make a deal with the devil whereby they clearly sell out their future son in law’s best interests to try to assure that their daughter tastes fleeting pleasures apart from him while securing her financial insurance against ever becoming fully bound to his circumstances or dependent on him.  They are literally trading off future marital unity interdependence and intimacy for faithless independence and separation preparedness.   We as individuals and as a society need to repent of this foolish faithlessness!

Exit Question: How do we best get people to deprioritize women and their fruitless independence and instead cherish men, marriage, and strong patriarchal families?

Affirmative Action for Baby Makers

Feminists say that us men all want women barefoot pregnant and in the kitchen.  Well, they’re wrong.  I’m not opposed to footwear.  LOL

I’d like to share with you some concepts that can recalibrate your thinking about women.  The primary concept is that all actions to “advance” women from out of their God given and natural role of wife and mother, are contrary to God and contrary to what is best for society.  

God intends natural unions and divisions among people.

After a failed experiment with communism William Bradford wrote in his Journal of Plymouth Plantation about the communal living:  The experience that was had in this common course and condition, tried sundry years, and that amongst godly and sober men, may well evince the vanity of that conceit of Plato’s & other ancients, applauded by some of later times;—that the taking away of property, and bringing in community into a common wealth, would make them happy and flourishing; as if they were wiser than God. For this community (so far as it was) was found to breed much confusion & discontent, and retard much employment that would have been to their benefit and comfort. For the young-men that were most able and fit for labor & service did repine that they should spend their time & strength to work for other men’s wives and children, without any recompense. The strong, or man of parts, had no more in division of victuals & clothes, than he that was weak and not able to do a quarter the other could; this was thought injustice. The aged and graver men to be ranked and equalized in labors, and victuals, clothes, & Etc., with the meaner & younger sort, thought it some indignity & disrespect unto them. And for men’s wives to be commanded to do service for other men, as dressing their meat, washing their clothes, & Etc., they deemed it a kind of slavery, neither could many husbands well brook it. Upon the point all beginning to have alike, and all to do alike, they thought themselves in the like condition, and one as good as another; and so, if it did not cut off those relations that God hath set amongst men, yet it did at least much diminish and take of the mutual respects that should be preserved amongst them. 

Part of what Governor Bradford was saying was that there are natural distinctions that God makes amongst mankind that need to be kept in place to maintain the mutual respect everybody’s position is due.

Distinctions among people form the basis of what respects they are due.  

1 Peter 3:6 It was thus that Sarah obeyed Abraham [following his guidance and acknowledging his headship over her by] calling him lord (master, leader, authority). And you are now her true daughters if you do right and let nothing terrify you [not giving way to hysterical fears or letting anxieties unnerve you].  7 Likewise ye husbands, dwell with them as men of knowledge, giving honor unto the woman, as unto the weaker vessel, even as they which are heirs together of the grace of life, that your prayers be not interrupted.

The apostle Peter also clearly tells us about mutual due respects.  He says that women are weaker vessels, right after speaking of their propensity towards hysterical fears and anxieties, yet women have also been given the grace of life and are due to be honored as wives, even though the husband is lord over her.  The wife is not to be scorned even though she is known to be weaker and unequal in her created being, because even as God made her a weaker creature, yet God Himself has made it so that she shares in the same saving grace that God gives to husbands, and so she should also receive some honor due as a recipient together of that grace of eternal life.  Clearly the Husband is the greater, the lord, and due greater respect, but the point is that neither of them is due contempt, but both are due respect in keeping with God’s order.

What is God’s order?

God created the man(Adam) first, and gave Adam dominion over all the earth.  Then God created Eve secondly, and for Adam, to help him and to be a mate to Adam, and so that he might be fruitful and multiply.  After they both had sinned, God again made it clear that Adam should rule over Eve, who had tempted him into defiling himself, after she had first defiled herself.  The earth was cursed making Adam’s job of providing their “bread” harder.  Adam was to be the breadwinner who provided the sustenance for his family.

Women are defilers.

Revelation 14:4 These are the ones who have not defiled themselves with women, for they are virgins. These are the ones who follow the Lamb wherever he goes. These were redeemed from humanity as firstfruits to God and to the Lamb.

So not only was Eve the defiler of the very first man in Genesis, but all the way forward into the future, as recorded in Revelation, women are so defiling of men, that even in heaven, virgin men are honored by God among His holy saints. 

Wives owe their husbands reverence.

When a female former fornicator gives her husband less enthusiastic sex than she gave to others, she is defrauding him of the same respect that she showed to other guys.  She consciously has chosen to disdain the husband that God so mercifully gave to a whore(who by God’s law deserves death) and she has refused to even cultivate her passion for what is her undeserved gift from God to enjoy.  She does this because the love of God is not in her.  If Christ were living in her, she would strive to love her husband more and more as she grew to know him better. 

Ezekiel 16:32 You unfaithful wife! You desire strangers instead of your husband.

The prophet Ezekiel makes it clear that it is unfaithfulness for a wife to desire strangers instead of her own husband.  If Christ were living in her she would cultivate her desire and her passion for her beloved.  If she was having difficulty showing her husband the same respect she paid to others, she would be fasting and praying that God’s Holy Spirit would ignite a fire of passion inside her for her own husband.  Do you blaspheme the Holy Spirit by believing the lie that God’s Holy Spirit is an evil cuckolding spirit living inside of women that causes them to defraud their husbands of the respect that they showed other sexually immoral men?  Do you honestly believe that a woman filled with God’s Holy Spirit will go on sinning her entire life in such great unfaithfulness and not ever be convicted to see to it that she reverence her own husband as commanded in Ephesians 5:33?  

Matthew 25:40 And the King will answer them, “Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me.”  41 Then he will say to those on his left, “Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.”

Wives serving other men too much is unfaithfulness to their own husbands.

For a woman to desire to serve other men more than her own husband, whether through her work or through her sexuality, is unfaithfulness to her vow to be his, forsaking all others.  Women shouldn’t get married if they want to serve some other men rather than their husband, they should stay single if they don’t intend to serve their husband as a keeper of his house, and by their unfaithfulness blaspheme the word of God.  As below the apostle Paul commanded the older women:

Titus 2:4 That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children,  5 To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.

The marital bed is holy and a pleasure that should be enjoyed at all times.

Younger women, like the one shown in the meme above, really should be married and at home serving a husband.  Her young breasts and baby maker, really are her most highly desired job qualifications that no man has, and they are made for a divine purpose that no job can surpass, that brings God glory, for which she was lovingly and wonderfully created, to submit herself to an image of God, and become one flesh with him and bear the offspring of a god.(John 10:34)

Proverbs 5:18 Let thy fountain be blessed: and rejoice with the wife of thy youth.  19 Let her be as the loving hind and pleasant roe; let her breasts satisfy thee at all times; and be thou ravished always with her love.  20 And why wilt thou, my son, be ravished with a strange woman, and embrace the bosom of a stranger?

1 Timothy 2:15 But she shall be saved through her child-bearing, if they continue in faith and love and sanctification with sobriety.

Women work out their salvation by fulfilling their God-ordained role.

Getting a young woman trained in the ways of the Lord and married to a godly man and ready for keeping home should be her parents highest priority for her, because that is God’s highest priority for her and His purpose for making women.  Young women should be taught to love their husbands, to love their children, to be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.  That is real “Affirmative Action” for young women’s absolutely divine calling.  What this evil world calls “Affirmative Action” for women is actually just defiance against God’s highest calling for women.  I’ll let y’all ponder all the manifold ways the world tries to get young women into their camp.  As their deceitfully “affirming” Feminist signs welcome young women into the workforce, telling them  “Arbeit macht frei”, which means: “Work makes [you] free”.

Do redeemed women receive glorified male bodies in the afterlife?

The floor of one of the coffins of Gua, a physician of the governor Djehutyhotep. The paintings, dated to 1795 B.C., show the “two ways”—land and sea—that the dead could use to navigate the afterlife. An even older “Book of Two Ways” has now been unearthed. (Werner Forman/Universal Images Group via Getty Images)

Smithsonian magazine had an article mentioning ancient Egyptian beliefs about the afterlife:

“The inscriptions clearly quote the Book of Two Ways … such “coffin texts” were meant to “situate the deceased in the world of the gods,” … This particular sarcophagus was occupied by a high-status woman named Ankh, though the afterworld instructions in her final resting place actually refer to her as “he.”

“The funny thing is the whole idea of how you survive in the netherworld is expressed in male terms,” …

In ancient Egypt, rebirth was linked most closely to male gods; dead women, then, had to adopt the pronoun “he” to be more like Osiris himself …”

I had previously commented:

The Book of Enoch states that there are no females among the angels, because they were created to live forevermore, and therefore they had no need to reproduce themselves, like some had done with the daughters of men.
Enoch 15:5 It was for this reason that I gave [men] females, in order that they might cast seed into them, and, in this way, beget children by them, in order that descendants should never fail them upon the earth. 6 But you were existing as spirits, while living perpetual, and are immortal for all the generations of the age; 7 and this is why, I did not make females among you. …
I believe I was reading in the book of Jubilees when it was stated that all the redeemed in heaven will be given new incorruptible bodies that are male(sons of God) like the angels. But I can’t find the passage right at this moment. I believe Jesus may have been referring to those scriptures in the following passage:
Matthew 22:28 Therefore in the resurrection whose wife shall she be of the seven? for they all had her. 29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God. 30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.
So I currently wonder if women who are redeemed will quite literally become conformed, sharing in the image and glory of the Son. Will they become brethren, glorified, finally freed from their previously unresolved penis envy, and Eve’s curse?
Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. 30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

Ray commented: “As for your speculations on women being made into males after the resurrection, I’ll comment later.”  At this point I’m wondering about this concept that seems to have been an extra-Biblical belief, and may be hinted at or even indicated in the Bible itself, according to your interpretation:

Please share your speculations, opinions, revelations, scriptures, or any other thoughts.