Genesis 5:1-5

I decided to make a post from a comment on the previous thread.

Commenter Swanny River queried:  “I was reading Genesis 5 this morning and don’t recall what you said about verse 2.  I like the explanation of Genesis 1:27, but I don’t remember about 5:2 and it does seem to be at odds with it. Was there a particular post you covered it?”

I have never before made a devoted post about Genesis 5, but I have referenced it in a few comments.  As I have mentioned before the original Hebrew does not have punctuation, and Genesis 1:27 is a three line, or three complete sentence, Hebrew poem.

Genesis 1:27
So God created man in His own image.
In the image of God created He him.
Male and female created He them.

God first explains that He created Adam in his image, forward and then backwards, and then God contrasts that by saying that He only created “them” (which is not the word “Adam” in Hebrew) while contrastingly leaving off any mention of that creation being done in the image of God when referencing both male and Female combined. The male and female were not created in a combined event, but in two separate creation events, so their combined creation is a summarizing statement of two separate events, and those two separate creations when combined are never said to have been in the image of God. Reading that verse(Genesis 1:27) is when it first dawned on me, that God, the author, went to great lengths to never say that the woman, Eve, or both male and female, were created in the image or likeness of God, while saying four times, in Genesis 1:26-27, that Adam was created in God’s image or likeness.

Some English speaking folks insist on saying that line three of the poem given in Genesis 1:27 is not part of a separate sentence, but that it has to be referring, the male and female that were only said to be created, back to the statements about the man being created in the image of God. They do that partly because that is how it can seem in their English translations, but also because they would have to give up Feminism if God clearly made men superior, in the image of the Most High God, to be reverenced and obeyed by women who are created for men, to be men’s help.

So it is really telling that when an extremely similar restatement of the poem is again given in Genesis 5:1-2, they separate the verses right where the Feminists insist there is no separation, and right where I said there should be one. “Male and female created he them” is part of a whole new Bible verse, like I have taught that it could be divided and that the thoughts should be divided for better clarity in English.

Genesis 5:1(KJV) This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;
2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.
3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, and after his image; and called his name Seth:
4 And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters:
5 And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died.

Now again the Bible backs me up that when only referring to Seth, Adam’s son, Seth is referred to as being “in his(Adam’s) own likeness, and after his image”, making clear that the image and likeness of God transferred from father to son, like it did from Father God to Adam who was a son of God.(Luke 3:38) And yet again when both the sons and daughters of Adam are mentioned, the likeness and image are not mentioned because the combined group of both male and female are not in the father’s image. The daughters take after their mother’s image and likeness.

The King James Bible almost always gets the gender of gendered words correct, and if you check it you will never find the likeness or image of God said to be upon any living earthly woman. While it tells of men and Jesus Christ(a male) being the image and likeness of God in multiple places.

Now any Feminist is going to try to exploit the fact that in Genesis 5:2 all people, male and female are called or named after “Adam” the man, the father of mankind.  Adam, in Hebrew, can mean: man or mankind, the first man, or ruddy(like clay). So also in English, the word “man” can refer to an individual male, all males, or even all humans. But “Adam”/”man” never refers to Eve individually, any individual woman, or womankind. “Adam”/”Man” only refers to women when they are lumped in with all men. That is a patriarchal colloquialism that God started, whereby we are called after our father, just like how my wife and kids all share my family name.

If God had wanted to make clear that Eve was in the image of God, he could have said that Eve, or the woman, was in the image of God but he clearly didn’t. The fact that all are called by the man’s Hebrew name “Adam”, is an honorary naming, that only goes to show that the man was created superior, and was the one by whom the others would want to be known by association. Just like today, wives and kids take on the man’s name, because he is the superior one, and it is an honor to be associated with your husband or father by name. Again I will mention that if both were equally made in the matchless image of God, the man would not be superior, but they would be equal. However only the man was made in God’s image and that is why it is such an honor for all to be called after his name, even to this day.

The believers of the church of Philadelphia(part of the bride of Christ) will be honored by being named after God and Christ: Revelation 3:12b I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.
I’m looking forward to that new family name! What an honor it will be.

So, in review: “Adam” meaning “man” was the first man’s name which became the family name of all people, we are now all collectively known as “man” or “mankind” in English, which is the translation of the Hebrew name or word “Adam”. That does not negate all the rest of what God clearly told us, just because God honored us all by calling us “Adam-kind”, however some folks, on the side of evil, will always try to negate the truth by whatever means they can.  For further clarification see 1 Corinthians 11:7.

Bonus information:

Gary Naler has pointed out that when God counts people He usually only counts the men.
For example:
Matthew 14:21 And they that had eaten were about five thousand men, beside women and children.
Matthew 15:38 And they that did eat were four thousand men, beside women and children.
Exodus 12:37 And the children of Israel journeyed from Rameses to Succoth, about six hundred thousand on foot that were men, beside children. 38 And a mixed multitude went up also with them; and flocks, and herds, even very much cattle.
There are far too many examples to give them all.
While God certainly can and does count others, like in Jonah 4:11, He usually counts groups by the number of men present, and sometimes indicates there was also a multitude beside them. I think even God’s method of counting us has implications, as to God’s patriarchal priorities, that we may not have realized.

39 thoughts on “Genesis 5:1-5

  1. Thank you, Brother Sharkly, for expounding on this. All of Genesis was in my Bible study plan for this week, to include Chapter 5, and your explanation summarizes things quite logically and nicely.

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  2. If we believe the deceptive lie that women are in the matchless image of God Most High, then all men can be no better than women. And was Christ not the “son of man”, the last Adam/man and the first/only-begotten son of God? Does the Bible not teach us that all firstborn males are to be offered to God, “the males shall be the Lord’s”?(Exodus 13:12-13)
    Romans 8:29 For whom He did foreknow, He also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren.
    Colossians 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: …18 And He is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things He might have the preeminence.
    Does Christ not have preeminence in being a man, the sex created first and preeminently? Will a man(or woman) rob God,(Malachi 3:8) of His honor?
    Don’t be deceived by belief in a false-Christ who being bodily a man is no better than a woman. That is blasphemy against Christ! Bodily, Christ had to rightfully posses the lordship and dominion that is God-given to the mastersex!

    Colossians 2:8 See to it that no one makes a prey of you by philosophy and empty deceit, according to human tradition, according to the elemental spirits of the universe, and not according to Christ. 9 For in Him the whole fulness of Deity dwells bodily, 10 and you have come to fulness of life in Him, who is the head of all rule and authority. 11 In Him also you were circumcised with a circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of flesh in the circumcision of Christ;

    Matthew 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. 24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:

    Don’t build your whole foolish religion on a false Christ who was no better in His body, image, and glory, than fickle women!
    Like a dam bursting and water flowing out, I pray that the Spirit of God will flood your minds with the truth of God, now knowing the truth about Christ, a preeminent Son, King of Glory, of necessity both God and man, that you will only build on true knowledge of Him, as your foundation, and that you men build upon the truth about your own preeminent male sex, that you share with Christ, while women, professing godliness, learn to shamefacedly reverence God and His image, represented in the man who rightfully rules over her, according to God’s holy patriarchy, her father or husband.


  3. LOL
    I’m not interested in hearing from a woman regarding my religious beliefs! I derive my beliefs from the holy Scriptures, not from the words of women. Although the commenting might be down a bit as a result of the defiling Eves’ collective expulsion from this sanctuary,(I have also been kept from posting recently) I think God is better glorified by their silence and by a brotherhood of men that fear Him, and together search out His truth, to live in it, as a testimony before our female-hearkening world.

    I presume by “interesting”, feeriker means in an amusing sort of way, like how “kids say the darnedest things”.

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  4. I think God is better glorified by their silence and by a brotherhood of men that fear Him, and together search out His truth, to live in it, as a testimony before our female-hearkening world.

    1 Co 14:34. He 12:28. Pr 27:17. Ro 12:10. Ho 4:15.

    Checks out. Checks out quite well.

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  5. In the book of Jubilees it speaks of Eden as being a sanctuary that was more holy than all the rest of the earth. And Adam was not brought into the sanctuary until after a period of purification, whereas Eve required twice that period of purification before she was then brought into the holy sanctuary of Eden. Holy Eden was said to be a type or model, like the Israelite’s tabernacle and temple, of God’s sanctuary in heaven above. And of course we know that after their sin, Adam and Eve were then cast out of the holy sanctuary of Eden.

    Does any man have any thoughts about that?


  6. The reason why I brought up the question about Eden was because I had always been misled to believe in Sunday school that “the garden” was just like a large nature-preserve/arboretum/state-park and Adam was assigned to be the park ranger, or a gardener/landscaper.
    There was no mention of Eden being a holy place modeled after the sanctuary of God in heaven or that Adam’s role was to have dominion over the holy sanctuary, as a high priest over the entire natural realm.

    Those who overcome, from the church of Philadelphia, are promised to regain a resplendent role in the great heavenly sanctuary, not merely the earthly model, and they become family with God, by name, never to be cast out:
    Revelation 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.


  7. And Adam was not brought into the sanctuary until after a period of purification, whereas Eve required twice that period of purification before she was then brought into the holy sanctuary of Eden. Holy Eden was said to be a type or model, like the Israelite’s tabernacle and temple, of God’s sanctuary in heaven above.
    Does any man have any thoughts about that?

    Adam being God’s son, Eve being God’s daughter, Jubilees is essentially re-stating Le 12: 2, 5 applied to Eden rather than society.

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  8. I don’t consult Jubilees, Enoch, or other related texts. What’s contained in the canonical Scriptures is enough on the plate. Adding more is confusing and dangerous.

    Not all overcomers necessarily are members of Philadelphia. However, all members of Philadelphia are overcomers, or will be by the time of harpazo.

    The total promises made to Philadelphia apply only to Philadelphians, although some promise elements to Philadelphians may cross-over to other sub-churches.

    The part about not ‘going out again’ likely concerns only angelic members of Philadelphia, given that no human beings have been inside the heavenly temple previously. Thus they would not be concerned about having to ‘go out again’.

    Angels come in and go out, on various tasks and missions, and so this clause probably represents a special promise to those individuals and orders. The King is comforting them with the assurance that they never will be tasked with having to leave the Sanctuary again. Because to say the least, they consider this place a hell-hole.

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  9. I’ve read a lot of apocryphal and even some pseudepigraphal books, and so far the only ones I have found that seem helpful are 1 Enoch, Jubilees, and Sirach. I haven’t actually finished reading Jubilees, and the first third of Sirach has the best proverbs, with the last two thirds seemingly diminishing in quality, as if the book is a bit like a ranked list of proverbs based upon their helpfulness, but also grouped together a bit topically. Or that the author wrote most of the best stuff first, but continued writing until the collected proverbs were pretty poor in quality.

    Tonight I just skimmed through the gnostic “gospel of Philip”, and it seems to be a very satanic text contrary to the rest of the Bible and full of lies and blasphemies, it reminded me of some Masonic, black magic, or satanic texts I have skimmed. The basic message was that God has deceived you, but here is the real truth that God isn’t telling you. It paints God as a malicious deceiver, but you might just be able to save yourself through looking for truth in the spirit realm. It claims the Holy Spirit is female and couldn’t have inseminated the virgin Mary, that Jesus was shacked up and making out with the whore Mary Magdalene, and that women’s children will take after the man they love the most, not necessarily who inseminated them. I am worse off for having read it.

    I agree with ray, there is plenty in the Bible to fill your time with and to learn. Whereas even the best apocryphal books need to be taken with a grain of salt. Since they were apparently questionable enough to be left out of the Bible cannon of books that were both inspired and reliably preserved. I however have read a lot of stuff, in search of wisdom, ideas, and any truth that might be found.

    I do think I have benefitted a little bit from my reading, but I’m pretty good about despising spiritual error, even before I know what is wrong with it. Kind of like how I can sense when I’m being sinned against, even if I can’t yet put into clear words the reason for the betrayal/defrauding I feel. I don’t think my conscience has been seared quite so badly like so many other people’s apparently has. I have had plenty of natural enmity with the wicked, and the hounds of hell seem to always recognize the scent of their enemy too. Oddly enough, back when I was a blue pilled churchian, I went to church out of a sense of duty and because I feared God and was seeking for Him. I rightly judged the gatherings to be social, phony, and the people to be rightly spewed out of God’s mouth. The churches would hide sins instead of expose them and renounce the wickedness, or ignore sins, there was no fear of God.

    I remember one afternoon when I was a teenager my mom was listening to a Jim & Tammy Faye Baker program when I got disgusted and shut it off. My mom asked, “why do you have such animosity against Christian stuff?” To which I replied, “That’s not of Christ. They’re just money grubbing.” Needless to say, I was majorly vindicated on my gut level disgust for the Bakers, only a few years later. Once the Lord red-pilled me, it wasn’t any loss to me to ditch the annoying Feminist churchian losers and seek God with my red pilled brethren online. I couldn’t quit that nonsense fast enough once I realized they were in fact only whoring after the world and then wiping their sloppy cunts with a few rounds of “Jesus is my boyfriend” praise music, and a couple twisted scripture verses to make it all seem OK. I don’t doubt that others went there seeking God too, but I found God wasn’t in today’s churches, so they aren’t going to find much relevant truth preached there either.

    And the truth that is most relevant, is mainly the much hated patriarchal truth that is being demonized in society, and consequently forfeit by the cowardly churches. Not the claptrap megachurch pastors preach, where they “courageously” charge the common ground by setting up a bad strawman and then beat the stuffing out of him while the crowd cheers, “Amen!” “Plunk some money in the offering and come back next weekend for another great show!
    Watch as our grandstanding pastor again pile-drives the radical LBGTQ agenda with the old ‘Adam and Steve’ joke. Did we mention you can now give online and by auto-debit? Stop at our coffee shop and gift store on your way out. Be warmed and be fed and have a blessed day.”

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  10. Your approach is sensible.

    I didn’t warn about the extra-canonical books because I was concerned about you. You have enough Scriptural experience and discernment not to be harmed by those ‘extra’ texts. But that is not the case for most Christians, especially those new to the faith. These are the ones I want to steer away from the extra-texts, and so it is probably unwise to encourage others by positive citation of those books.

    Your citation of the ‘gospel’ (tee hee!) of Philip is a good example. Many of the non-canonical texts are rooted in the various schools and cults of gnosticism that satan made flourish in the early centuries after Christ. When they start yapping about The Marvelous Magdalene and about how Jehovah is the ‘evil demiurge’ who is responsible for All Badness Everywhere, then you pretty much know you are in Demonville.

    My understanding and wisdom concerning the canonical Scriptures is far from complete, and it ain’t gonna get completed in this time and place, that’s for sure. The canonic Bible is more than enough for me.

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  11. ray, in your Bible readings, have you come to the conclusion that the Lord will grant new hearts to men, replacing cowardice with boldness and the Kingdom be prefaced with a return to God’s commandments OR that the Son returns and institutes Order here on Earth on behalf of the father and that men uphold God’s commandments as they are ruled with Christ’s rod of iron?

    What verses can you suggest that support your understanding?


  12. It’s not something I’ve thought about, so it’d be your responsibility to formulate a proposition and support it with Scriptural citation. Your homework is yours to do. If able, I will confirm or refute your understanding.

    For moment, I can’t think of Biblical support for God altering the demonstrated (on Earth) characters of individual persons, after death. If indeed that’s your question. That does not sound like Him, and kinda moots the point of being on Earth at all. But there certainly will be restorations given by the King to those who enter into his Kingdom, some of those already defined Scripturally (e.g., Revelation 3 to Philadelphia) and some as yet unrevealed.

    If you evaluated this matter differently speak up.


  13. ikr —

    Also, without consulting Scripture I can say for certain that the Son will come here, soon, and assuredly will institute order on the planet, according to Father’s will, and that King Jeshua will rule with an iron rod, and so will His administrators.

    The instant issue is how severely the Lord will punish, and which nations. He will decide this element according to His promise in Malachi 4:6. His disposition towards nations (and the angels over them) will depend upon their obedience to, or rejection of, this command. This matter of dads and sons is paramount in His mind, then and now.

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  14. I have always understood that the world will continue a slow decent into madness wherein with the last possible soul saved, the King consumes this Earth, establishing the lake of fire and its inhabitants, and fulfilling His Kingdom promise.

    We see civilizations come and go. Rising with discoveries of God’s Creation, and falling when ignoring His Commandments. I see the West’s (forced?) decline, with powers coercing the (good) will of God-fearing men and women and wonder where the beauty lies if our reborn hearts are to bear the burdens of those who refuse to bow the knee to the King. I bounce between Joshua and Ecclesiastes in my heart.

    I understand that this Earth is irredeemable. Christ’s return will be required to bring about 1000 years of Paradise-on-Earth. This will be uncomfortable for many- undoubtedly- as the imagery is one of discipline (the ‘rod of iron’) and not cannabis (hippie Jesus, yo).

    What I wonder- and have no Biblical support one way or another- is if He will rise up champions like Samson en masse from the various (framented, atomized) churches and come to claim the throne, or will He return as King, calling men to ‘get behind Him’ as He sets about punishing evil as the Holy Spirit commands.

    Does man’s heart know boldness before the King’s return, or does it require the King’s return?


  15. Here is a Christian site where I made a lengthy comment about current Christian and conservative darling Amy Coney Barrett. Who needs three names to show she is fiercely independent from her husband but don’t mind that, she is ‘on God’s side’.

    And hey isn’t a coney a rabbit? Why would I want a female rabbit judging me?


  16. ikr —

    Jacob’s Trouble or the Tribulation is seen by Christ not so much as punishment, but as a time of trial and hope, as the horrors that take place will bring many to God, even if by stark terror and last resort. That’s a lot better than not. What is left in the final portion of the Tribulation are the irredeemable, who still hate and curse and deny God, even though they see His workings plainly.

    Yes this planet is under both spiritual and physical entropy, culminating in the antichrist spirit and kingdom busily building now. After, the King will return for a Millennium. Then there will be another final rebellion (almost certainly sourced in the same issues causing the current rebellion) and then the spirits of evil will be extinguished. For now they can only be resisted, cast out, or detained/bound/silenced. Only God can permanently un-make what He created eternal.

    ‘wonder where the beauty lies if our reborn hearts are to bear the burdens of those who refuse to bow the knee to the King.’

    Not exactly sure what you mean here. Do you mean how to bear the presence of rebellious persons in the Millennium, or how to bear the presence of sin and temptation in the Millennium?

    ‘What I wonder- and have no Biblical support one way or another- is if He will rise up champions like Samson en masse from the various (framented, atomized) churches and come to claim the throne, or will He return as King, calling men to ‘get behind Him’ as He sets about punishing evil as the Holy Spirit commands.’

    He will do and is doing both, just as was done in the OT, before His prior arrival. Unless you do not believe Him capable of fulfilling the claims He makes in Malachi 4:5? And many other places.

    Just like before, just like in any war, the expeditionary and small-tactical forces go ahead to prepare for the main assault, to plant spiritual and mental seeds, to ‘straighten the King’s Highway’. None of these persons will be perfect, but just like before, they will get the job done.

    I never think about to what extent it is possible to restore authentic Christianity, or to reform America, and so forth. I labor under the assumption that EVERYTHING can be restored and made whole — as whole as is possible under the current planetary leadership. It’s my constant assumption that I will win every battle and make the Kingdom of the Father as extant on the planet as His name is in my heart.

    Then, whatever happens after that, it’s on God. If He is ready to shut it all down, or if He’d prefer a delay, further restraint of evil and a national restoration, it is not my problem or worry. When the soldier lies down at night in his tent, he doesn’t fret on what the general is doing under the lamps. He just puts out his clothes and weapons for morning.

    Let me know if that addresses your comments and questions.

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  17. Upon re-read I can see how that sentence could have been phrased better.

    “I wonder where the beauty lies if our reborn hearts are to bear the burdens of those who refuse to bow the knee to the King”

    Should read better as:

    “I wonder where hope lies if those with reborn hearts are forced to bear the punishments brought about by those who refuse to acknowlege Christ and keep His Commandments.”


    Unless you do not believe Him capable of fulfilling the claims He makes in Malachi 4:5? And many other places.

    This is not the issue. I believe every word written in the books of the Bible are from the Spirit, complete, inerrant. This does not mean we always understand everything, the order, the plain meaning, at first pass- or ever for some topics. Otherwise, brothers disciplining brothers in the Word (Pr 27:17) would not be a commandment.

    He will do and is doing both, just as was done in the OT, before His prior arrival. [..] Just like before, just like in any war, the expeditionary and small-tactical forces go ahead to prepare for the main assault, to plant spiritual and mental seeds, to ‘straighten the King’s Highway’. None of these persons will be perfect, but just like before, they will get the job done. [..] It’s my constant assumption that I will win every battle and make the Kingdom of the Father as extant on the planet as His name is in my heart.

    This is what answers my question and checks out with my knowledge of Scripture.

    When the soldier lies down at night in his tent, he doesn’t fret on what the general is doing under the lamps. He just puts out his clothes and weapons for morning.

    A good reminder to always look to one’s field (Pr 24:27). Not the neighbor’s, lest jealousy overtake you. Not the mountain range, lest despair overtake you. One field is enough.

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  18. ikr —

    “I wonder where hope lies if those with reborn hearts are forced to bear the punishments brought about by those who refuse to acknowlege Christ and keep His Commandments.”

    The rain falls on the just and the unjust, and while I might grumble about it, make that DO grumble about it, it is no reason to lose hope. In this hour, the tares are mixed together with the wheat, all over the planet. So on Earth, yes we must bear the degradations brought about by the irredeemably wicked — to a point. In heaven, no. In the Millennium, the bridge between heaven and Earth, there is still sin and wickedness, but the King’s servants will not be under temptation and attack to anything near the degree we are now. It will be Christ’s world then, not satan’s.

    My advice is to remain in Philadelphia and not be moved, because only there can I guarantee removal of the whole sub-church before the earthly punishments you mention get unbearable. I believe this already is the case with you, and so I would ask that you understand and aid Philadelphia to the best of your abilities, and continue in the works which you have already begun. You will not be disappointed.

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  19. Here is a comment I left over at feeriker’s blog:

    William Bradford’s diary is a good book to read for historical perspective. Much better than the rubbish from modern historians. Marxists wail that Marxism would work if only we tried it in America. LOL After the early church tried it and failed, America was most likely the next place it was tried and spectacularly failed. The pilgrims at Plymouth Plantation were soon starving after having all things in common, and no private property. William Bradford eventually switched back to Capitalism, and concluded that even the most virtuous and godly could never make communism work, because communal living itself was a conceited Humanistic countering of God’s established(patriarchal) course for mankind.

    From Governor William Bradford’s diary:
    So they began to think how they might raise as much corn as they could, and obtain a better crop than they had done, that they might not still thus languish in misery. At length, after much debate of things, the Governor (with the advice of the chiefest amongst them) gave way that they should set corn every man for his own particular, and in that regard trust to themselves; in all other things to go on in the general way as before. And so assigned to every family a parcel of land, according to the proportion of their number for that end, only for present use (but made no division for inheritance), and ranged all boys & youth under some family. This had very good success; for it made all hands very industrious, so as much more corn was planted than otherwise would have been by any means the Governor or any other could use, and saved him a great deal of trouble, and gave far better content. The women now went willingly into the field, and took their little-ones with them to set corn, which before would allege weakness, and inability; whom to have compelled would have been thought great tyranny and oppression.

    The experience that was had in this common course and condition, tried sundry years, and that amongst godly and sober men, may well evince the vanity of that conceit of Plato’s & other ancients, applauded by some of later times;—that the taking away of property, and bringing in community into a common wealth, would make them happy and flourishing; as if they were wiser than God. For this community (so far as it was) was found to breed much confusion & discontent, and retard much employment that would have been to their benefit and comfort. For the young-men that were most able and fit for labor & service did repine that they should spend their time & strength to work for other men’s wives and children, without any recompense. The strong, or man of parts, had no more in division of victuals & clothes, then he that was weak and not able to do a quarter the other could; this was thought injustice. The aged and graver men to be ranked and equalized in labors, and victuals, clothes, & Etc., with the meaner & younger sort, thought it some indignity & disrespect unto them. And for men’s wives to be commanded to do service for other men, as dressing their meat, washing their clothes, & Etc., they deemed it a kind of slavery, neither could many husbands well brook it. Upon the point all beginning to have alike, and all to do alike, they thought themselves in the like condition, and one as good as another; and so, if it did not cut off those relations that God hath set amongst men, yet it did at least much diminish and take of the mutual respects that should be preserved amongst them. And would have been worse if they had been men of another condition. Let none object, this is men’s corruption, and nothing to the course itself. I answer, seeing all men have this corruption in them, God in his wisdom saw another course fitter for them.


  20. This is modified from a comment I left at Gunner Q’s blog:

    This view of what humans are for, or perhaps what humans are not for … is … shaping our laws and our cultural imagination when it comes to what humans should do, and what we should be able to do with humans …

    And God said, Let Us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let him have dominion … And the Lord God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.

    Who is “Us”? That would be God the Father, the Son, and their united holy masculine Spirit who later impregnated Mary Himself. And so they made Adam as their son(Luke 3:38), with a masculine spirit, who would become the father of all men, and image all the fullness of the godhead bodily, just as Jesus Christ, the last Adam did.
    Colossians 2:9 For in Him[Christ] dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
    Jesus didn’t need a female counterpart to image God fully. Christ was not only God’s Son, and filled with God’s Spirit, but He also had the Father in Him.
    From John 14:6-11 ~ Believe Me that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me.
    Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man(1 Corinthians 11:9 see also verse 7), to be an help meet for him. And it isn’t good that men be left single or divorced by women who refuse to serve God’s purpose for making them.
    The Old English word “meet”, in that usage, is defined as ~ to fulfill or to satisfy.
    Like how “meeting” a contractual obligation is to fulfill or satisfy that obligation.

    In review: Men were created to be images of God and to have dominion over the earth. Women were created to help men and to fulfill and satisfy them. Now we just need to incorporate that into shaping our laws and our cultural imagination. And then we’ll be ready for the arrival of the Final Adam.


  21. Jude 1:14-15a And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, 15 To execute judgment upon all …
    Revelation 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. 12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. 13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. 14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. 15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. 16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, King Of Kings, And Lord Of Lords.

    Sometimes I picture a moment before the battle, returned from heaven, I’m mounted on horseback in the front row, arrayed for battle, just a few horses down on the left side, behind Christ. I have a front row seat, ready to watch him slay His enemies by the word of His mouth. I’m focused on watching Christ, who is on my strong side, but I suspect he is going to do all the killing Himself. I’m just there as a member of his sword bearing retinue, to watch and accompany as He lays waste to His enemies.


  22. The source of this world’s defilement is women, choosing to follow Satan and usurp their rightful head, men, and then being allowed by men to defile men, who are the image and glory of God.

    A woman led the image of God to defile himself in the beginning, and women are still being permitted to lead the images of God into continuing defilement today.
    The heavenly watchers also left their heavenly habitation and defiled themselves with the women of earth, who bore them giants(now dead) whose spirits are evil spirits and whose habitation is still earth.

    “Woman is the root of all evil.” ~ Saint Jerome AD 347 – 420

    “…it is still Eve the temptress that we must beware of in any woman.” ~ Saint Augustine AD 354 – 430

    To return mankind towards greater righteousness men must quit hearkening to women, and instead rule over them, and men themselves should also seek to return to God’s ways.

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  23. From a comment I left at Σ Frame:

    We are marinated in our culture, and it is hard to see which part is our culture, and what is just the toleration of wickedness. Sometimes the clearest path forward when things are deteriorating, is to retrace your steps back into the past, because even though we may not know what is wrong, we at least have references for what our past was like. When a non-instrument rated pilot flies into clouds at night, and is not certain how to get out, the most certain path back out is a quick 180 degree turn to exit where you entered into the blinding cloud cover.

    The church lost their basis for patriarchy(the innate absolute superiority of the male sex) long before they gave up all the practices of patriarchy. Because men’s superiority is so innate, the patriarchal culture persisted for over 1500 years from when the “absolute” basis for men’s superiority first began being torn down around the late fourth century. Once you lose the absolute divine superiority of men, then gradually men’s superiority to women becomes relative to changing earthly factors, and subject to individual men’s subjective moral performance. And now churches are even inverted preaching as though women are the better sex, which more closely approximate our deity.(our Father & Son Godhead)

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  24. “Woman is the root of all evil.” ~ Saint Jerome AD 347 – 420

    “…it is still Eve the temptress that we must beware of in any woman.” ~ Saint Augustine AD 354 – 430

    The love of money is the root of all evil. (1 Tm 6:10) We already know that all women are ‘daughters of Eve’ just as all men inherited Adam’s traits. For men, a spirit of cowardice, for women, a spirit of pride that seeks to usurp. (Ge 3:16).

    It bears reminding that our authority comes from Scripture- alone, God-breathed. Not those who interpret it. Both Jerry and Auggy were already well-practiced with rewriting Scripture in the 4th century. It did not take man 20 centuries to summon the courage to.. rewrite the Law.

    Besides, ol’ Auggy never got his dick wet.. or something like that. What did he know about legitimate intercourse and the roles of the sexes?


  25. 1 Timothy 6:10(NASB) For the love of money is a root of all sorts of evil, and some by longing for it have wandered away from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs.
    My father used to point out that the NASB had translated that verse better than the KJV. All sorts of evil can be motivated by money, but not all of it is. A person may even give up money to commit sexual immorality with a prostitute just because of their lust of the flesh, while the prostitute is most likely committing the sexual immorality, at least in part, for the money. I reckon Saint Jerome may have been referring to how all sin can be traced or rooted back into “original sin”. The woman, like Satan, having acted as a defiler. But, I certainly don’t discount women’s constant defiling influence on the debauchery of this present Feminist age. One wonders if we will have to be reduced to utter poverty and starvation, becoming “Famininsts” before people will repent of hearkening to women instead of God?

    From the historical stuff I have read about Saint Augustine, he was in an extended relationship with a woman who bore a son during that time. And Augustine apparently believed the boy to be his own son. He later seems to have reacted to his former sexual immorality, and perhaps in a pendulum swing to the opposite, his doctrine was then very anti-sex, like many of the Ascetics, Stoics, and Gnostics, of his day.

    Often religious folks try to outdo others. My Mennonite ancestors came to America as very pious people who happened to drink a bit of wine and often had a cigar or cigarette after dinner. However upon discovering that American Christians believed those practices to be sinful, they soon were just as good as they, at abstaining from those prior liberties, so as not to cause offense or to be outdone by those outlanders.

    I don’t doubt that with many of Augustine’s contemporary ascetic, stoic, and gnostic sects considering the physical body and sex to be inherently evil and to be abstained from, that many of the early church fathers went overboard in regard to abstaining from satisfying sexual passions even when it is sanctified during marriage and considered the liberties of legitimate physical pleasures as the dangerous indulgence of a physical body at war against a person’s spiritual ascension to some higher state of being. They weren’t wanting to be considered libertines and be too far outdone by those who outwardly afflicted their bodies as evidence of their piety.

    I don’t doubt that today we may have “recovered” too far in the other direction, where churches really are full of gluttonous libertines who won’t worship without all their modern comforts.
    They seem to be of the opinion: “If there is a flu going around, close the churches! We might die, and that would be a frightening end for us!” We need to separate ourselves out from among those faithless ones. And what faith they do have is usually misplaced, in stuff like prosperity theology, popular psychology, or in how being inoffensive to the world is seemingly their supreme directive.

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  26. Evil entered the world through Adam, the first man. Its power was broken by Christ, the last Adam. A woman is a natural usurper, but not the source of evil.

    Rm 5:12

    We must be careful in attaching ourselves to narratives that begin as Biblical but get carried away. The best lies are those founded in absolute truth. ALL notions are to be tested.

    2 Co 10:5

    Where we will agree, because their is plenty of anecdotal evidence, is that women love money. ;Never enough’ is the status. The shopping sprees for women of all backgrounds. The dependency behavior that becomes leech behavior when unchecked. It is the natural love of money (cited in KJV* as the ‘source of all’ evil) that perhaps naturally taints a woman’s heart and actions.

    A woman loves money. Money being the currency of man’s labor. Money reflects male work, and can command male work. And women will work full-time jobs to bank their own cash while expecting men to ‘romance’ them. It is even better if you can command man’s efforts both in action (eg. dates, lifestyle, et al) AND in symbology/potential (eg. assets like money which can be traded in the future for action).

    Ever witness a woman who faces the storm alone? Who sits quietly at night, praying- having nothing? That is content on an empty stomach at the dawn of a new day, trusting the King to provide?
    I have met countless men- I have been such a man at various points in my life- who have met the gravity of this existence. But women? 2? Both of them well-trained, well past sexual prime, a lifetime of devotion to Christ and trust in their husbands. For this, and other purposes, the elderly woman is extolled in Tt 2.

    A woman is addicted to money, to the promise of security it provides. Her loyalty should instead lie with her father, then her husband. It is a wise man who keeps financial matters- both the ups and the downs- from his wife, knowing her proclivity to stray on this topic. It’s like offering a man who is out of town on business a virgin 22 year old supermodel in lingerie who is in heat, waiting in his hotel room. The wise person just does not open that door.

    * I use NASB, KJV, ESV along with a concordance in my English Bible studies. I am *not* a KJVO zealot. My interpretations always go with the most spiritually conservative, least socially liberal translation of a passage.

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  27. As far as I know there was no earthly money, when Eve, and then Adam, sinned. Nor is it recorded that they wanted some money or loved it, at that point. I really think that the love of money is the root of all sorts of evil, but not necessarily the root of all evil, like how the King James translates it. To try to make every sin about money, would really be stretching things.

    I won’t say, because I don’t want to offend anybody, but there is one group of people that I know of, who are popularly lampooned for their love of money. It is no wonder they have historically gotten involved in every sort of evil.


  28. ‘I won’t say, because I don’t want to offend anybody, but there is one group of people that I know of, who are popularly lampooned for their love of money. It is no wonder they have historically gotten involved in every sort of evil.’

    You won’t say the word Jews because it might offend somebody, so you will just leave the dangling inference there so that everybody on the Jew HateMobile will know you are down with them?

    If — like many others — you believe that Jews are especially worse than the other tribes and peoples of the Earth, have the balls to say so. That way everybody knows where you stand without having to fill in blanks.

    If you or anybody else calling themselves Christian imagines that Christ Jesus likewise hates the Jews, considers them collectively greedy and at fault as a special case beyond the faults of other groups, you are going to be very disappointed. What’s next, Teddy Beale graphics of hook-nosed old men standing on piles of cash, rubbing their hands together? (((Those people))) encased in the triple parentheses?

    For the record, while I have serious ongoing issues with the synagogue of satan that will have to wait awhile for resolution, I do not hate ‘the Jews’ nor do I single them out for special condemnation. Nor do I hate the blacks, which is the other popular target of the alt.right pseudo-intelligentsia. Anybody who hates any entire tribe of people can eff off.


  29. Ray,
    Please don’t read any personal contempt for Jews into what I wrote. Just because I said that it was popular to lampoon their love of money, from which you clearly picked up that I was referring to Jews, because you are also well aware of those jokes. Furthermore, the Bible contains a record of the Jews’ frequent descent into the idolatry and wickedness of the nations surrounding them. And even today, in places like Hollywood, Satan delights to turn apostate Jews against their God. I personally try to evaluate people on their own merit, and according to the relative dignity God created them in. I know that race, nation, tribe, city, and family are all important to God, even if we don’t understand how He views those matters. I believe The Jews are His chosen people, have a special covenant with God, that “salvation is of the Jews”, and that God will bless those who bless them and curse those who curse them. I pray for the peace of Jerusalem. I hope to one day dine at Abraham’s table. You’re preaching to the choir here. BTW God says certain things about the Jews, so even He doesn’t think they’re exactly like every other people group. We shouldn’t try to make all people equal, when God made them all unique. I’m glad you want to protect them. However their persecution is foretold, just as our own is foretold. The best thing that can be done to help them is to guide them back to their God and Messiah, and to His truth and righteous ways.

    Ray, I’d really like to hear your thoughts on Jews versus Israelites, the “ten lost tribes”, and Ephraim and Manasseh as “firstborn” in prophecy. I’ve heard a lot of stuff over the years, and often wonder what to believe, about who those people might be today, and such.


  30. Jn 8:44. ~> who are the spiritual and ethnic sucessors to the -edrin who willingly self-identify using the mantle of the (((tribe))) in 2020? Messianics? Or the (((Synagogue of Satan)))?
    Je 3:8 + Is + Rm 10 ~> (((they))) have been divorced, with repercussions:

    Lk 12:48.* ~> those receiving special revelation, and denying it, are held to a higher standard
    Mt 27:22 ~> those rejected Him
    Rm 1:24 ~> they have been given over. Tel Aviv is 1 big gay nightlife orgy. Approach the Wailing Wall and get spit on by 4 (((men))) pushing past you because you are visibly not wearing a black hat. Loxism is evidenced everywhere- absolutely everywhere- in academia, the workplace, media. It is truly institutional, endemic, systematic.

    There is an unholy marriage between a belief of being the (((chosen ones))) coupled with seething hatred for any and everything that represents Christ. I firmly stand on the statement that yes, the venerable (((Synagogue of Satan))) has unleashed evil into the world that is second to none.

    Satan was the most trusted of angels. After his fall, he is the chief of those tormented. Among tribes, does this logic not hold? It holds for individuals. The “chosen”, dethroned, become the chief architects of evil. I think the primary fault is the closing of ranks that always occurs. Protecting the (((tribe))) takes precedence over everything, including Truth. Let evil not be counted in your midst ~> bad company corrupts good morals ~> you partner with evil ~> you do evil.

    I will be happy to discuss my knowledge on the lies of WW2: the wives’ tale that is Hitler’s persona and the perished 10m Christians. Some of these goings-on in the past century I additionally have family anecdotes to support as well.
    We can point to the agitation of the Napoleonic wars and the ensuing single monetary system. We can review the assassination of the Romanovs- including women and children- by the hand of those who bear the (((title))). (((Those))) who are behind forced assimilation of darkies throughout Europe and the ensuing murders and rapes and encouraged societal collapse we see there. Who were the boat owners in the Triangle Trade of the 15-17the centuries? We can discuss these and more. I may not know as much as some, but I am fairly gifted man who has made a professional living with trend identification a feature.
    That most of these topics are passed over and ignored, while some are actively suppressed, is indicative indeed of a great evil.

    Ja 4:4 ~> who keeps turning the world increasingly into Satan’s playground? It does not happen on its own.
    Lk 6:43 ~> (((they))) have decisively been singularly involved in a lot of widespread evil both in present day and throughout history. Shakespeare knew it. Ford outlined it. Solzhenitsyn suffered dearly to remind us in the current day of it.

    Who is the persecuted? Who is the persecutor? << A chameleon who plays with nationality when the aggressor, then ethnicity when the victim. >> Scapegoating faults while grifting societies for centuries now. The current era ‘anti-semitizm’ is a tired trope of a false narrative used to dismiss-in-hand any criticism or call for accountability under the guise of ‘hate squeaks’.

    Now, how do (((they))) singularly stack up to the blasphemies, heresies and apostates of the Humanists, the Feminists, the Khmer Rouge, the Communists, the RCC, Hindus, voodoo shamanism et al? For one, none of these have been denying Christ as King for 2000 years.
    The Celts gave up paganism, the Nords their gods, the Slavs and Anglo-Saxons have spread the Word East and West, respectively. While the heart of man is evil, and brings about evil deeds, there are undisputedly tribes who have made an effort to embrace the King, versus those who continue to ignore, or worse: deny.
    Mk 3:28 ~> anyone who denies the Spirit will burn

    All this touches the collective. We stand before our Creator as men. Until that day, evaluating individuals:

    Jn 14:6 ~> every man, woman, child must proclaim with words and actions CHRIST IS KING!
    Mt 12:30 ~> there is no middle ground, no lukewarm
    Ep 5:3 ~> do not associate with even the lukewarm
    1 Th 5:22 ~> flee evil. You are RIGHTEOUS to not associate.

    No one gets a free pass. No one gets a ‘leg up’. By one’s action one is known. No one gets a sob story. Your Profession, grants you a parlay. Followed by your weighed deeds, gets you a seat at the table.

    On the End-Day:

    He is separating the wheat from the chaff of all persons- both genders, all tribes, all locations.
    Je 3:12 ~> how and when the Father will exercise His Mercy vis-a-vis the Remnant is known but to Him. But that is not today, and the rest of the remnant’s (((tribe))) has indeed been given over.

    [[Hopeful anecdote on this last point. I am friends with a family from the (((tribe))) for several years now. I have been blessed to witness my faith through action AND to see the fruits of this, plus any other efforts unknown to me. The mother and second son pray- daily- to Christ now. I do not have firsthand knowledge, but second-hand, through a female blood-relative who has witnessed and conversed with the mother.]]


  31. Do you imagine that you, ikr, and the other self-appointed Judges of the Tribe can tell me something about the Jews that I don’t already know? Do you think I haven’t heard all your rationalizations and long explanations many times already? There is not even ONE of you that knows who the ‘Jews’ and ‘Israel’ are. Yet you are ready to condemn because your internet buddies do.

    I’m not doing this again, ten years of it at Dalrock’s was sufficient. It ain’t your donkey to kick, but you insist on kicking it anyway, good luck. I will not be associated with it further.


  32. Yes, let’s not get side tracked into contentious disagreements over the Jews, if we don’t have to. I would prefer that we are all respectful of each other as men, and that we keep our focus more towards dealing with the tsaw-raw’/feminine-vexer/great-whore.


  33. ray, your statement dismisses-in-hand every Scriptural reference provided, and proceeds with, by my count, 6 loaded assertions about my character. Let us be clear on these loaded assertions.

    1. I do not appoint myself Judge of anyone. I cite Christ, exactly within proper context, so as to ‘judge with righteous judgement’ that we are- as His followers- commanded to do. But I Judge (ref: Salvation) no one.

    2. I do not know any ‘judges of the tribe’. Kindly do not apply to me the false narrative of guilt by association.

    3. I do not pretend to know what you have heard versus not heard. Hence, spelling out what I did, how I did with references. You are most welcome to bring references of your own.

    4. You have accused me- along with a group of faceless others- to ‘none of us knowing’ who the true Jews are or Israel is. If you have such unique knowledge, share it. You have done this in other areas on different topics, for which I remain grateful. However, not doing so, it is squarely the false narrative of claiming both ‘one true Scotsman’ and ‘gatekeeping’.

    5. No one is unequal before the Law. I condemn evil where it lies, full stop. Not because of social ties (see #2).

    6. I ignore who you are, or the path you have walked (see #3). If this is a tired topic for you because of your 10 year experience at Dalrocks, I can appreciate that. I spent less than 2 months there, before coming to my own conclusions about the host and the comments posse. I have been elsewhere, associated with other people, discussed other things. Kindly do not attribute your experience there, with me (see #2).

    If, this is a topic that will receive no advancing in understanding, let us dust off our shoes at the edge of the city and proceed to other areas where growth may yet still occur.


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